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re: Alabama Senate passes abortion ban bill
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Honest question, how can you possibly review the last 15 years or so of fetal research, with much improved testing techniques, tools, etc than we had before, and not come away with the conclusion that a fetus is a human being?
Who said a fetus is not a human being?
Either way, I don't know why you're limiting this to "fetal research." I suspect it's because you don't have nearly the understanding of the research you're trying to imply.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:52 pm to SD Tider
quote:FIFY
If it makes it to the Supreme Court there is a ZERO chance Roe v Wade gets overturned.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:54 pm to Argonaut
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That doesn’t work if you believe that a fetus is a human life though.
That's only true if you say that human life has the same value regardless of the current stage of development. Most educated people don't say that.
Educated people are only as good as their arguments and shouldn’t be relied on. Peter Singer correctly argued that if this were true than infanticide and forced euthanasia of the elderly would be perfectly acceptable. Taken even further, extreme eugenics programs can be justified using this logic.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:54 pm to Argonaut
quote:The atlantic: science is giving the pro-life movement a boost
I suspect it's because you don't have nearly the understanding of the research you're trying to imply.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:55 pm to SD Tider
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If it makes it to the Supreme Court there is a very good chance Roe v Wade gets overturned
Doubt it.
SC treats Roe as the gold standard in stare decisis.
It's as if its been written into the Constitution to the SC.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:55 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
100% support!
There are many ways to not get pregnant.
1. Abstinence
2. Don't have sex during the 14 days of the cycle where you can get pregnant
3. Birth Control Pills
4. IUD
5 Day after pill
6 Condoms
7 Spermicide and Diaphragm
etc
Get pregnant and don't want the baby, then give it up for adoption.
There are literally 2 million couples who are waiting to adopt a baby in the US. The majority of whom will even agree to pay the mothers medical bills.
There are around 40 couples waiting per baby put up for adoption.
There are many ways to not get pregnant.
1. Abstinence
2. Don't have sex during the 14 days of the cycle where you can get pregnant
3. Birth Control Pills
4. IUD
5 Day after pill
6 Condoms
7 Spermicide and Diaphragm
etc
Get pregnant and don't want the baby, then give it up for adoption.
There are literally 2 million couples who are waiting to adopt a baby in the US. The majority of whom will even agree to pay the mothers medical bills.
There are around 40 couples waiting per baby put up for adoption.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:56 pm to AggieHank86
Why do you think there is zero chance it gets overturned, just out of curiosity? It’s fairly well agreed upon in legal case study that Roe v Wade was a flawed decision. The court seems to be split just about down the middle. Seems like a 50/50 shot to me?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:That language is simplistic rhetoric for simple-minded people, much like “beating heart” and “can feel pain.”. There are simpletons on each side of this complex issue.
don't insult research and empiricism by claiming it is a "clump of cells"
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:04 pm to SD Tider
quote:
Educated people are only as good as their arguments and shouldn’t be relied on.
Educated people are informed and more often rely on data to make their arguments. Uneducated people rely on things like emotion, religion, and groupthink. I know which arguments I typically find more compelling.
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Peter Singer correctly argued that if this were true than infanticide and forced euthanasia of the elderly would be perfectly acceptable. Taken even further, extreme eugenics programs can be justified using this logic.
Your agreement with those arguments does not make them correct or logical.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:05 pm to Argonaut
quote:Yes, they really believe this.
What's the difference between aborting a zygote and shooting an adult in the head? Is that really your question?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Thank you for supporting my assertion that you don't fully understand the research you're referencing.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:07 pm to Loserman
quote:This explains all the kids stuck in foster care with no hope of adoption.
There are around 40 couples waiting per baby put up for adoption.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:10 pm to Argonaut
quote:Abortion isn't a scientific debate, though. When you get down to it. It is ultimately a moral/"rights" debate.
Educated people are informed and more often rely on data to make their arguments. Uneducated people rely on things like emotion, religion, and groupthink. I know which arguments I typically find more compelling.
It is a debate over which is more important/has more value: the life of a budding human being or the autonomy of an adult female.
Science's role in the abortion debate, if there is any, involves researching fetuses and such.
The statement "a woman has a right to her body" and "unborn children have rights to life" are not scientific statements. They are emotional statements.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:10 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
fricking ridiculous; it will get bitch slapped down by the supreme court. 0% chance Roe v Wade gets overturned either.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:12 pm to SD Tider
quote:Stare Decisis and the nature of the legal mind.
Why do you think there is zero chance it gets overturned, just out of curiosity? It’s fairly well agreed upon in legal case study that Roe v Wade was a flawed decision. The court seems to be split just about down the middle. Seems like a 50/50 shot to me?
A majority of the new Court MIGHT incrementally chip-away at Roe, give a reasonable statute to allow them to do so. This ridiculous law will get nothing but a guffaw from the Court. They might not even grant cert after the CoA strikes it down.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:13 pm to AggieHank86
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Yes, they really believe this.
What's perhaps most amusing is that sometimes in the same post, they'll claim that their position is really all about science.
Then, to show you they're right, they link some right-wing trash article filled with the same ridiculous assertions worded slightly better.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If you truly believe the fetus is a human being worthy of the right to life as protected by our laws, you have to support a blanket ban on abortion. Why should one fetus have a right but not another fetus?
All of you advocating for forcing a women who's been raped to carry out the pregnancy are piece of shite human beings.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:13 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
GOP and Dems will make a shite ton of campaign contributions from this. Dems with their post-birth abortion stuff and GOP with total abortion bans. Money about to start flowing for them both.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:14 pm to AggieHank86
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There are around 40 couples waiting per baby put up for adoption.
There are only around 100k children in the foster care system who are eligible for adoption.
My wife and I had 5 of our own children and we took in 2 additional children for over 10 years.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:18 pm to Muleriderhog
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Muleriderhog
Did you grow up in a foster home.
Nothing wrong with that , I was just wondering.
You seem angry that you weren't aborted.
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