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re: AJC releases video showing Arbery running after caught breaking into unfinished home
Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:20 am to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:20 am to JohnnyKilroy
The self-defense defense will be on much better footing if the citizens arrest is found to be legit/justified (which personally I don't believe it will)....and if the citizens arrest claim is found to be unjustified, then that by default results in Jr being deemed a criminal aggressor and he's dead in the water. Much like a bank robber can't claim self defense if he shoots and kills a teller who attempted to wrestle the gun away from the robber.
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:23 am to JohnnyKilroy
I mean they might argue it, but I doubt the jury buys it. Considering they were the aggressors in the situation, arbery was defending himself. I think its good news were removing these 2 animals. I just hope the jury has more sense than some idiots here who ignore the whole drawing the guns part that the confrontation started at arbery “turning aggressively” instead of the any part of the roadblock ambush preceding that.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:15 am to Reubaltaich
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makes a 90 degree turn towards McMicheal from about 20-25 feet.
That wasn’t from 20-25 feet. At most it was half the width of the truck because the son had moved from drivers side to the front of the truck.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:17 am to joshnorris14
The house was open. So there was no “breaking and entering”. JS
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:20 am to TiketheMiger
quote:
At most it was half the width of the truck because the son had moved from drivers side to the front of the truck.
The first shot occurs almost exactly the same time that Arbery comes even with the front of the truck.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:31 pm to roadGator
quote:Not when there's a 4 sale sign in front encouraging people to check it out.
You were trespassing though.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:33 pm to davyjones
quote:
The self-defense defense will be on much better footing if the citizens arrest is found to be legit/justified (which personally I don't believe it will)....and if the citizens arrest claim is found to be unjustified, then that by default results in Jr being deemed a criminal aggressor and he's dead in the water. Much like a bank robber can't claim self defense if he shoots and kills a teller who attempted to wrestle the gun away from the robber
Reasonable
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:35 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Reasonable
Yup
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:37 pm to HubbaBubba
Sad stupid story all the way around..
Dumb and Dumber kill a dummy.
Three lives wasted.
Dumb and Dumber kill a dummy.
Three lives wasted.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:46 pm to udtiger
quote:it all depends on if it was legal for then to try to detain him. Because if they are okay there the killing would be justified. He tried to get the guys gun.
still gonna be hard to justify killing the guy
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:51 pm to Contra
quote:well that's 2 different things. If it's legal to make a citizens arrest, then burglary does justify chasing him down. Does it justify shooting him, no. But that's not why he got shot. He got shot because he tried to take the guys gun
Hardly justifies straight up chasing him down and killing him over it.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:51 pm to joshnorris14
Interesting bit I noticed from the video.
Arbery slowly walked into the video, then inside the house. When he left the house he was booking it, not jobbing but sprinting.
It's pretty clear he wasn't simply out for a jog. Still doesn't mean the father and son duo acted legally, but it does destroy the "hunted down because he was black while running" narrative the media has pushed.
Arbery slowly walked into the video, then inside the house. When he left the house he was booking it, not jobbing but sprinting.
It's pretty clear he wasn't simply out for a jog. Still doesn't mean the father and son duo acted legally, but it does destroy the "hunted down because he was black while running" narrative the media has pushed.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:53 pm to Azkiger
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Arbery slowly walked into the video, then inside the house. When he left the house he was booking it, not jobbing but sprinting.
The video I saw isn’t running at normal speed so you may need to take that into account. The original video I saw was at least 2X speed. The one you saw may be at normal speed.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:13 pm to AggieHank86
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When these situations arise, I am always surprised by the number of people who feel that extra-judicial execution is an appropriate response to a minor property crime.
Come break in!
Come be surprised!
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:20 pm to the808bass
quote:
The video I saw isn’t running at normal speed so you may need to take that into account. The original video I saw was at least 2X speed. The one you saw may be at normal speed.
It was 2x speed, but it was the same speed throughout. He entered walking slowly, and when he ran off it only took a few frames and he was out of sight.
I'm not saying that he should have been shot because he sprinted away, only that the claim he was simply jogging is questionable.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:22 pm to Azkiger
It’s very questionable. I certainly wouldn’t start a nationwide memorial fun run. Though it might be fun to run it in Timberlands with a hammer just to trigger some people.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:23 pm to FlexDawg
1. Attempting a citizen's arrest in that circumstance is illegal. McMichael was not the victim nor was he a first hand witness to the "break in". Watching it on someone's video does not count.
2.McMichael was brandishing a weapon in an affirmative manner and presrntinh a threat to Arbey
2.McMichael was brandishing a weapon in an affirmative manner and presrntinh a threat to Arbey
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:24 pm to joshnorris14
The number of new homes under contraction me and my buddies would wander into and goof around in is easily in the dozens. We treated them like our personal bigger than life indoor playgrounds.
Thankfully, never got shot at once.
Thankfully, never got shot at once.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:29 pm to Azkiger
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I'm not saying that he should have been shot because he sprinted away, only that the claim he was simply jogging is questionable.
The whole just a jogger narrative is probably mostly due to mcmichaels statement to the police. He said he saw someone running so he called his son to get their guns to go confront him because there had been break ins recently.
Mcmichaels Basically said he went to go confront someone who was running because it seemed suspicious, not that he knew a felony occurred(although trespassing is a misdemeanor). Although it probably got sensationalized afterwards.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:30 pm to AMS
No. That’s the Trayvon Martin legal team in action. “Just out getting tea and skittles.”
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