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re: AJC releases video showing Arbery running after caught breaking into unfinished home

Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:21 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
21076 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:21 pm to
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First of all, only one out of every 5000 people I see jogging is black. This is my experience and nobody can deny my experience.


What's the ratio of people who go jogging with a hammer?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:21 pm to
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But they took guns to confront him. That’s not going to help them.


Literally two weeks ago, I heard noises in what sounded like my driveway. I'd left my car outside the garage and, we've had car break ins in my neighborhood.

I walked out with my handgun.

This is entirely normal behavior. Turned out. No issues with my car.

But, if upon walking out, someone breaking into my car rushed me and I shot his arse, that's his fault and you know as well as I do, I'm walkin

Now. Sure. Their case is different. But, if you're dealing with a possible criminal, having self defense mechanisms is pretty normal.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
114076 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:22 pm to
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So breaking and entering gives you the right to chase the person down with guns? Interesting.


Yeah. It’s weird how if you remove all the trappings from the case and say that let’s assume Ahmaud robbed the McMichaels house and ran down the road away from their house and they knew he robbed them and they chased him with guns, ended up in an altercation and shot him, would they have some serious legal issues looming? Sure.

But somehow, if you say “citizen’s arrest!!” it makes it all ok.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 6:22 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:22 pm to
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Yeah. It’s weird how if you remove all the trappings from the case and say that let’s assume Ahmaud robbed the McMichaels house and ran down the road way from it and they knew he robbed them and they chased him with guns, ended up in an altercation and shot him, would they have some serious legal issues looming? Sure.


Meh.

If that happened, and as they chased him, he rushed one of them and got shot, they're walkin

Posted by Tigrdynasty
19th hole
Member since Jun 2018
2775 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:23 pm to
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4. Would they have shot Ahmaud had he not charged and grabbed the gun?

No way to know


The answer is NO. Why wait until he charged and grabbed at the gun if the intention was to shoot/kill him in the first place? Think
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:23 pm to
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ut, if upon walking out, someone breaking into my car rushed me and I shot his arse, that's his fault and you know as well as I do, I'm walkin

Now. Sure. Their case is different. But, if you're dealing with a possible criminal, having self defense mechanisms is pretty normal.


Yea its normal if you are defending yourself or fear immediate danger of yourself or others You are right its different this case. They literally went out looking for the guy and confronted him when there was 0 danger to anyone before they decided to draw their guns and confront him.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
114076 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:24 pm to
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Now. Sure. Their case is different. But, if you're dealing with a possible criminal, having self defense mechanisms is pretty normal.


Sure. And again, it’s why you call the police. Because if you are carrying your gun, you may have to use it. And you’d better be damn sure there’s a good reason for using it. A guy going through a house under construction is a shitty reason to get charged for murder.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:25 pm to
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The answer is NO. Why wait until he charged and grabbed at the gun if the intention was to shoot/kill him in the first place? Think
Yeah

If they just wanted to shoot the thief, he'd have been dropped far before rushing junior in front of the truck.

He's dead because of his own actions.

Yeah. White dudes acted stupidly.

Well. When you steal, there's a half decent chance you're gonna piss people off and the people you piss off aren't going to be trained professionals.

This is why it's wise to not be a thief.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
114076 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:25 pm to
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The answer is NO. Why wait until he charged and grabbed at the gun if the intention was to shoot/kill him in the first place? Think


Then they shouldn’t have brought their guns if they didn’t intend on using them.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:26 pm to
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Yeah. It’s weird how if you remove all the trappings from the case and say that let’s assume Ahmaud robbed the McMichaels house and ran down the road away from their house and they knew he robbed them and they chased him with guns, ended up in an altercation and shot him, would they have some serious legal issues looming? Sure.

But somehow, if you say “citizen’s arrest!!” it makes it all ok


Lmao you cant even shoot someone fleeing from robbing your own house. Much tougher sell that you acted out of fear for yourself when no one was in danger and you went out of your way to prepare for and initiate the confrontation.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:26 pm to
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Yea its normal if you are defending yourself or fear immediate danger of yourself or others You are right its different this case. They literally went out looking for the guy and confronted him when there was 0 danger to anyone before they decided to draw their guns and confront him.
And had they just shot him, they'd be fricked.

But he rushed the dude that shot him and actually got hold of the gun.

So sure. Had they shot him as he ran, they're screwed. Alas, that didn't happen.
Posted by blzr
Saratoga
Member since Mar 2011
30184 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:26 pm to
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Stealing is a crime

If you are unaware of this, I recommend Webster's



thanks, good to know people like you are out there
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
114076 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:26 pm to
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He's dead because of his own actions. Yeah. White dudes acted stupidly.


This is shite logic. He’s dead because of his actions and their actions. They’re charged with murder because of Ahmaud’s actions and their actions.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:27 pm to
Well, I mean, they were arrested. With a warrant from a judge. Someone agrees with that interpretation.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:27 pm to
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Then they shouldn’t have brought their guns if they didn’t intend on using them.
Are you fricking with us at this point?

Because, if I'm armed in that situation, it's likely simply with self defense in mind if it were to come down to it. Basically, deterrent.

Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:28 pm to
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still gonna be impossible to justify killing the guy
FIFY
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
114076 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:29 pm to
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Well. When you steal, there's a half decent chance you're gonna piss people off and the people you piss off aren't going to be trained professionals. This is why it's wise to not be a thief.


When you try to effect a citizen arrest, there’s a half decent chance that it’s going to go to shite very quickly. This is why it’s wise to not try to effect a citizens arrest in most cases.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:29 pm to
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This is shite logic. He’s dead because of his actions and their actions
Their actions could not have occurred without his.

Sorry. That's just reality. He started the chain of events.

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They’re charged with murder because of Ahmaud’s actions and their actions.
and they're gonna walk
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:29 pm to
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And had they just shot him, they'd be fricked.

But he rushed the dude that shot him and actually got hold of the gun.

So sure. Had they shot him as he ran, they're screwed. Alas, that didn't happen


Its a shame Arbery wasn’t able to defend himself in the confrontation he didnt start. The confrontation didnt start with arbery charging, it started with guns drawn on arbery. Your perspective on the aggressor is backwards.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:29 pm to
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When you try to effect a citizen arrest, there’s a half decent chance that it’s going to go to shite very quickly.
Which is why I don't recommend it AND, why I think they were stupid.

Alas, they didn't start the chain of events.

Deceased did.
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