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re: Air Force resumes instruction with Tuskegee Airmen video
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:15 am to Clyde Tipton
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:15 am to Clyde Tipton
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Inside hit job by a bureaucrat. That information is not DEI. Those airmen and women should rightfully be celebrated.
Correct. There's plenty of room to celebrate positive things about diversity in this country.
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:17 am to BigBinBR
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Absolutely. It was "removed" so that they could put out a press conference about it and generate fake outrage.
Whoever made the decision, along with whoever signed off on it, needs to be fired today.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:20 am to Jbird
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Never should have been denied.
Yeah, agreed.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:21 am to jizzle6609
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How many other soldiers are celebrated during this video or whatever?
400,000 US soldiers died in WW2, where is the Italian, Jewish, Catholic, French, Hispanic, Asian video showing their heroics?
I guess the majority of the life lost isn't worth its own little videos piece.
your comments are disgraceful - hope it was a weak moment in your thinking process.
There is a universe of difference between the Muskogee Airmen and various other race's participation in WW2 - I won't even try to explain it to you.
These men, as a group, displayed 'uncommon valor' - any fool knows that = (unless he has a prejudicial bone to pick.)
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:22 am to Cuz413
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IDK if it should be part of their training.
It's a part of Air Force and American history. Why shouldn't it be part of their training?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:23 am to ChineseBandit58
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hey should be held up a National Heroes - we need a memorial dedicated to them along with all the other memorials.
They performed far greater than anyone at the time could have expected, and I have never heard of one of them going to the dark side of the racism precipice.
They outperformed their honor. It would be good to provide educational assistance to any of their progeny as a continuing honor indefinitely.
What about the medal of honor winners?
I guess we dont need to educate income soliders on these fellas who by a 98% clip died for you and I.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:25 am to ChineseBandit58
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your comments are disgraceful - hope it was a weak moment in your thinking process.
There is a universe of difference between the Muskogee Airmen and various other race's participation in WW2 - I won't even try to explain it to you.
These men, as a group, displayed 'uncommon valor' - any fool knows that = (unless he has a prejudicial bone to pick.)
Why are we bringing up RACE?
These clowns will never give up race. Ive never seen anything like it. Theres only one group like this, and I for the life of me cannot figure out why everything has to be about them. Its tiring.
We fought on the same side bonehead. United States and the Allie versus the Axis remember?
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:28 am to ChineseBandit58
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These men, as a group, displayed 'uncommon valor' - any fool knows that = (unless he has a prejudicial bone to pick.)
You can use this tactic on anyone you want but I wont let you use it on me. Fool - Prejudice just because I dont agree with your take on something.
I wont call you a fool or prejudice, youve already shown that for everyone yourself.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:52 am to ChineseBandit58
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your comments are disgraceful - hope it was a weak moment in your thinking process.
There is a universe of difference between the Muskogee Airmen and various other race's participation in WW2 - I won't even try to explain it to you.
These men, as a group, displayed 'uncommon valor' - any fool knows that = (unless he has a prejudicial bone to pick.)
Tuskegee*
I know you care and all about the whole history so I thought you should know.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:56 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Why shouldn't it be part of their training?
How do these pieces of history affect the pilots, crew chiefs, mechanics, etc ability to perform job duties?
Just hope much history of minor groups should there be in the training of job execution?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:05 pm to Cuz413
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How do these pieces of history affect the pilots, crew chiefs, mechanics, etc ability to perform job duties?
Just hope much history of minor groups should there be in the training of job execution?
Uh, the history of the branch you serve in is part of the training every service member receives. Should Tuskegee Airman history get cut because they're minorities? You know people can learn a bunch of things, right? You can learn your job and history, it's not that hard.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:07 pm to Saint Alfonzo
They taught this waaayyyy back in 1985 when I was involved in Lackland AFB.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:07 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Uh, the history of the branch you serve in is part of the training every service member receives. Should Tuskegee Airman history get cut because they're minorities? You know people can learn a bunch of things, right? You can learn your job and history, it's not that hard.
Why is the word minority being brought up?
This has nothing to do with black white.
They served in the Air Force like every other person served in their branches.
You dont cut the history, you mention it. YOu dont need to study it for Christ sake, it wont do a damn thing knowing any of that during a war time event.
If it isnt critical to the mission less is more.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:21 pm to Zach
quote:this was done so the squad would always have someone around who could translate (otherwise they'd've been forced to have everyone speak English, a la Hogan's Heroes)
They tried to honor Cajuns in the TV show 'Combat' by having a regular named 'Caje.'
I suppose they could have made him a New Englander like Jack Kerouac (whose 1st language was French). Maybe they figured Cajuns were just more familiar.
quote:In one episode Caje saves the day by using his bayou-honed... skiing skills!
he was from Canada and had a French accent, not Cajun at all.
(the actor had been a snow ski champ)Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:33 pm to Jbird
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The U.S. Air Force resumed using training material that referred to the Tuskegee Airmen after the Trump administration’s rollback of diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives caused an internal review.
Trump "bent the knee" lol
In all seriousness. Someone got overzealous with the DEI initiative from the new administration and overcorrected a tad too much
. Glad they fixed it. Props to Hesgeth for admitting that.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:35 pm to GreenJay
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Trump "bent the knee" lol
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:40 pm to Kafka
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Maybe they figured Cajuns were just more familiar.
Sure, but why not use a Cajun? The actor was from Canada. That accent was nowhere near Cajun. I've discussed this IRL with a French linguist who explained that Cajun dialect = 17th century French. It never evolved into modern French due to isolation. Think about how different Shakespeare's British language is compared to modern English dialect. The French Canadians have the more modern dialect.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:40 pm to Jbird
They have a place in history - dumb to even consider deleting.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:47 pm to Zach
quote:IIRC, the guy they used was working as a film editor in H'wood. He was nearby and available, thus saving time & money.
but why not use a Cajun?
This takes priority over satisfying a few people in a small section of one state.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:56 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Inside hit job by a bureaucrat. That information is not DEI. Those airmen and women should rightfully be celebrated.
But why does this need to be a part of Basic Training? Some part of whatever the Air Force calls continuous training, sure, but Basic Training, that should be about how to function as an Airman, including adjusting your attitude to get along and function well with your fellow Airmen, whether you like them or not. I would much rather see Basic Training weed out the ones that can't do that first, then teach the ones that can about history later as they learn their roles.
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