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re: Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:19 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:19 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:What horrible decision did Arbery make that led to the son pointing a loaded shotgun at him (i.e. a "violent encounter")? What, exactly, should Arbery have done to avoid that situation?
both parties made horrible decisions that quickly escalated into a violent encounter
quote:So, can you provide an example of current "speculative headlines" on the matter? Also, again: the black shooter will be fully prosecuted. Arbery's killers were going to get away with this with a complicit LE apparatus if someone had not leaked this video. Other than YOUR insistence on injecting race into it, the 2 crimes are not comparable.
And speaking of conjecture, why don’t we see speculative headlines in the MSM about another inexplicable murder that recently occurred? It appears a white elderly couple were targeted by a black sniper while visiting their veteran son’s grave. Reports are the shooter used a high powered rifle while lying in wait in a ditch at the tree line of a wooded area adjacent to a Veteran’s Cemetery.
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This is the result of 50 years of constant progressive brainwashing on a targeted demographic to create the false perception that blacks are perpetual victims of violent white racism by always making a point of hyping and exploiting the far rarer examples of white on black racial violence, while ignoring the far more prevalent incidents of black on black crime.
You sure 50 years is the right time frame to use in this formulation? Certainly you understand that in 1970, the conditions that don't exist now DID VERY MUCH exist...right? A black person would have been wholly rational to have been very fearful of rural county sheriffs and the like in 1970.
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
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What horrible decision did Arbery make that led to the son pointing a loaded shotgun at him (i.e. a "violent encounter")? What, exactly, should Arbery have done to avoid that situation?
Well, it seems self-evident to me that Arbery trying to grab a loaded shotgun in that situation turned out to be a horrible decision. Your mileage may differ. And again, in no way do I intend to discount the notion that Arbery thought that was his only option.
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So, can you provide an example of current "speculative headlines" on the matter?
Are you kidding me?
Georgia Man’s Death Raises Echoes of US Racial Terror Legacy
Racial battle fatigue and the pandemic: A modern-day lynching in Georgia. Ahmaud Arbery was the victim of a modern-day lynching — and it took more than two months to arrest his killers...
Ahmaud Arbery and the Ghosts of Lynchings Past
Ahmaud Arbery’s death called a modern day lynching
Another American lynching, buried beneath a racist criminal justice system
Ahmaud Arbery's death was 'lynching of an African-American man' and White House rhetoric emboldening US racism
Atlanta Mayor Holds Trump’s America Accountable for the Ahmaud Arbery Shooting
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You sure 50 years is the right time frame to use in this formulation? Certainly you understand that in 1970, the conditions that don't exist now DID VERY MUCH exist...right? A black person would have been wholly rational to have been very fearful of rural county sheriffs and the like in 1970.
I’m not sure how old you are but as someone who grew up in Birmingham Alabama during the 1970s, I assure you that lynchings were far from an everyday event.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:01 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I’m not sure how old you are but as someone who grew up in Birmingham Alabama during the 1970s, I assure you that lynchings were far from an everyday event
I lived in Birmingham in the 1990s, if you want to say black people had no call to fear LEOs and Vigilante White Boys, especially in more rural parts of Alabama you're a damn liar, just saying.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:02 pm to Tiguar
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I'm gonna block you and your family in and point a shotgun at your wife for a "citizens arrest". Don't try to stop me, you deserve everything you get if you do.
None of this happened though.
And honestly, if they wanted to murder this guy, why the frick would they call 911?
This sucks all around because he basically got shot from other people trespassing.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:04 pm to dgnx6
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And honestly, if they wanted to murder this guy, why the frick would they call 911?
Who said the set out to murder him? They did murder him, though.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:06 pm to More&Les
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Who said the set out to murder him? They did murder him, though.
What rock have you been living under?
There are a lot of actions from people that lead to this. I dont think these guys are in the right. Im just curious at what angle their lawyer will take to defend them or get a lesser sentence.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:09 pm to tigerterrace
quote:The police report stated it was criminal trespassing. A misdemeanor. First (of many) failures.
I will say this. Another video breaks down each component by Georgia Law.
1) It stated by entering the home under construction that Arbrey had committed a felony.
quote:There was no felony. And according to the statement by Gregory McMichael he did not witness what occurred. He pursued solely because of previous videos he had seen.
2) Under Georgia Law any person that is a witness to a felony can detain a person under citizens arrest.
quote:Georgia is an open carry state. But they did not have the authority to conduct a citizens arrest because they had not met at least one of the two elements necessary.
3) Both of the McMichaels had the right to care a firearm under Georgia Law.
quote:Travis McMichael has (as a minimum) committed aggravated assault because he has not met the minimum requirements for a citizens arrest. As charged by the district attorney, he is now facing murder. Want to try again?
So the case really begins and ends when Arbery made a move to grab the gun and what went on from that point.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
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What horrible decision did Arbery make that led to the son pointing a loaded shotgun at him (i.e. a "violent encounter")? What, exactly, should Arbery have done to avoid that situation?
Not sprint from the house when he was caught. Maybe thats just how he jogs, but he could have just told the guy phoning 911 he was just looking around and be done with it. But im assuming his 5 years probation is why he ran off.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:23 pm to Damone
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you’re so concerned about black on black crime you should start a thread to document and investigate it.
That would be a full time job for multiple people
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:27 pm to More&Les
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I lived in Birmingham in the 1990s, if you want to say black people had no call to fear LEOs and Vigilante White Boys, especially in more rural parts of Alabama you're a damn liar, just saying.
So I am a damn liar? You mad bro?
As a near live-long (and current resident) of Birmingham Alabama, my experience is different. Birmingham elected it’s first black mayor in 1979 and has been a majority black city since the early 1980s.
Birmingham was the murder capitol of the South for a few years during the 1990s and has consistently ranked among the top 10 most violent cities in America since that time.
Guess what? Birmingham’s violent crime problem isn’t because whites are targeting blacks.
FBI data reveals some of the most violent cities in nearly every state
Birmingham homicides in danger of hitting 22-year high
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:35 pm to dgnx6
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t im assuming his 5 years probation is why he ran off.
The 5 year probation that started 7 years ago? Do some math
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:40 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I lived in Birmingham in the 1990s
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Birmingham was the murder capitol of the South for a few years during the 1990s and has consistently ranked among the top 10 most violent cities in America since that time
Can't believe I got the wrong impression
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:42 pm to More&Les
Probation had been violated due to the shoplifting case, so probation was over for him after that. Thus it appears he had no criminal matter pending at the time of his death.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:48 pm to davyjones
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he had no criminal matter pending at the time of his death.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:52 pm to More&Les
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Can't believe I got the wrong impression
I’m certainly not going to go as far as call you a “damn liar,” but if you are under the impression that the persistently high murder rate of blacks in Birmingham Alabama is because of “Vigilante White Boys,” we are going to have a difference of opinion on that matter.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:24 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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if you are under the impression that the persistently high murder rate of blacks in Birmingham Alabama is because of “Vigilante White Boys,”
Did I say that or did I say its silly to think a Black guy in Alabama in the 90s, or the 70s as you initially stated, had no reason to fear the 5.0 or "Vigilante White Boys"
Posted on 5/20/20 at 10:24 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Well, it seems self-evident to me that Arbery trying to grab a loaded shotgun in that situation turned out to be a horrible decision.
While true, when someone posts something along the lines of, "Both parties made horrible decisions that led to this event," it implies that culpability for the event is equal, which is clearly not true. The vigilantes forced the situation from start to finish.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 10:30 pm to Bulldogblitz
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did arbery think he was jet li and was going to flip the gun out of the guy's hands?
He shoulda trained with Hannity.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 10:31 pm to TIGRLEE
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I just find it utterly amazing how the media and you people on this board will talk about a black dude getting killed by a white man like it’s earth shattering ground breaking news for days and days yet had it been two blacks shooting each other or black killing a white none of you would give one single F.
‘Murcia?
The amount of downvotes relative to the amount of upvotes is very telling. Kill YTee
Posted on 5/20/20 at 10:35 pm to More&Les
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Did I say that or did I say its silly to think a Black guy in Alabama in the 90s, or the 70s as you initially stated, had no reason to fear the 5.0 or "Vigilante White Boys"
Again, I don’t think “Vigilante White Boys” have contributed to Birmingham’s ever escalating murder rate since the 1970s. Now if you want to discuss the ills of an increasingly militarized Police State brought on by a never-ending War on Drugs® that has led police to view all citizens as potential enemy combatants you will get little argument from me.
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