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re: Ahmaud Arbery murder suspects seek to ban Confederate flag license plate from evidence
Posted on 10/7/21 at 1:44 am to 93and99
Posted on 10/7/21 at 1:44 am to 93and99
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If the prosecution wants the Confederate plate in, then the defense should be able to bring up Arbery's criminal past.
The prosecution is fighting tooth and nail to keep that out.
The argument is simple, the flag was visible on the truck. Arbery's past adventures were not visible (known) by these guys. I'd rather it not be introduced, but something tells me it will and the criminal past will not.
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 2:11 am to Bulldogblitz
The Leftists will leverage this trial for all its worth. Can you say "systemic racism?" Can you say "common sense gun control?"
Posted on 10/7/21 at 2:28 am to Azkiger
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Something that's a bit murky, and I'm not sure how it'll play in, is I think whichever one who saw Arbery run by said he looked like a guy who a neighbor or neighbors thought had stolen things from that neighborhood.
Seems like that would be a problem for them if so. I think if nothing else you gotta admit they're on some Shakey foundation here to get armed up and chase someone down who isn't actively a danger to anyone.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 2:34 am to AlwysATgr
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The Leftists will leverage this trial for all its worth. Can you say "systemic racism?" Can you say "common sense gun control?"
As far as fun control goes it doesn't really address the root of the problem here. I think the governor used a pretty common sense solution.
Systematic racism is something I definitely believe in. I definitely have seen positive change here too. The friction in the current system is a result of some of that change. This is a good example of a law that while not inherently racist, can be abused by those with Ill intent. Also it seems to only further dangerous situations.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 2:43 am to oklahogjr
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Also it seems to only further dangerous situations.
"Jogging" lead to this situation. It's that excuse that frames the rest of this as racism.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:26 am to icutmyownlawn
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icutmyownlawn
I can’t read past page 3 because you’re a fricking imbecile. I hope it got better, but with unless you left, I certainly doubt it.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:14 am to Bulldogblitz
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We have people jog through our neighborhood too. They end up relocating many items.
Unless caught red handed, there is no reason to do a Gomer Pile citizen's arrest. They created their own mess.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:55 am to Azkiger
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went out to see what was up, was informed by the neighbor saying he was poking around the house that was under construction,
Except this not happen. Once again you are either uninformed or just making shite up which is a common theme in your posts in this thread.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 7:01 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:54 am to oklahogjr
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I think if nothing else you gotta admit they're on some Shakey foundation here to get armed up and chase someone down who isn't actively a danger to anyone.
Theres no "present danger" clause to that law.
I do think they're on shakey ground though, Arbery is black and its 2021. If Arbery was white 99% of this board wouldn't have even known about this case. Same goes for George Floyd.
There's certainly systemic racism - it's in our media and what they choose to "report" on and what they outright ignore.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:02 am to Azkiger
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What if they were trying to communicate with you, would you ignore them, refuse to communicate back, and charge them the first chance you got?
They were communicating with me. Chasing me eith guns in their trucks. They were threatening me and I feared for my safety.
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You have a criminal record btw, and you were there casing houses. You know exactly why they're chasing you.
So I have an even better reason to be afraid if those guys. That makes it even more imperative that I escape.
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You still charge them?
Yes, if I think it’s my best option and I am that desperate.
You keep saying that Arbery was stupid; yet you have provided a logical reason for him to suddenly challenge an armed man.
All the evidence will be presented in due time, but everything I read way back when showed the guys chasing Arbery were way out if line here abd had no business playing vigilante.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:29 am to doubleb
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yet you have provided a logical reason for him to suddenly challenge an armed man.
There's no logic in a thief who knows why he's being followed, and why he's being told to sit still until the cops arrive, to charge two armed men.
That's fricking retarded.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:45 am to Azkiger
Arbery is just George Floyd 2.0. Trying to stretch to turn a criminal into a martyr.
Nothing you say will convince the Left that Arbery was in the wrong. But he was. It all starts with him, and him alone.
Imagine how different this story would be playing out right now had the media reported the TRUTH, rather than a LIE, about what Arbery was doing on that day.
He. Was. Not. Jogging. FACT.
It amazes me how the Left completely absolves anyone of personal responsibility in these situations. Arbery was where he didn't belong. Arbery ran because he knew the po-po where coming. Arbery tried to get away from the neighbors trying to stop him, not because he was scared, but because he was up to criminal activity.
Until you can admit the truth and the facts I listed, there can be no conversation about the gun.
Nothing you say will convince the Left that Arbery was in the wrong. But he was. It all starts with him, and him alone.
Imagine how different this story would be playing out right now had the media reported the TRUTH, rather than a LIE, about what Arbery was doing on that day.
He. Was. Not. Jogging. FACT.
It amazes me how the Left completely absolves anyone of personal responsibility in these situations. Arbery was where he didn't belong. Arbery ran because he knew the po-po where coming. Arbery tried to get away from the neighbors trying to stop him, not because he was scared, but because he was up to criminal activity.
Until you can admit the truth and the facts I listed, there can be no conversation about the gun.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:52 am to riccoar
Let’s assume you’re 100% right and he was trying to rob the work site.
Does that justify the McMichaels chasing him and attempting to hold him at gunpoint?
Getting a gun out means that bad things can happen. And what moral and legal responsibility comes from that?
Does that justify the McMichaels chasing him and attempting to hold him at gunpoint?
Getting a gun out means that bad things can happen. And what moral and legal responsibility comes from that?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:56 am to the808bass
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Let’s assume you’re 100% right and he was trying to rob the work site.
Does that justify the McMichaels chasing him and attempting to hold him at gunpoint?
Especially since the McMichaels didn't actually see the alleged burglary happen.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:59 am to the808bass
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Does that justify the McMichaels chasing him and attempting to hold him at gunpoint?
If criminal activity had been occurring in THEIR neighborhood? Absolutely.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:02 am to riccoar
That’s a gut reaction. Their lawyer isn’t going to say that out loud. Because that’s legally indefensible.
You can’t chase random people you suspect of criminal activity in your neighborhood with a gun because someone stole something one time.
That’s likely close to what happened. But the lawyer is going to keep that on the down low.
You can’t chase random people you suspect of criminal activity in your neighborhood with a gun because someone stole something one time.
That’s likely close to what happened. But the lawyer is going to keep that on the down low.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:06 am to the808bass
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That’s a gut reaction. Their lawyer isn’t going to say that out loud. Because that’s legally indefensible.
You can’t chase random people you suspect of criminal activity in your neighborhood with a gun because someone stole something one time.
That’s likely close to what happened. But the lawyer is going to keep that on the down low.
The problem here is that much of the defense of the McMichaels is almost a reaction to people trying to make Arbery a saint (which is also stupid).
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:16 am to riccoar
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If criminal activity had been occurring in THEIR neighborhood? Absolutely.
Agreed.
Arbery was committing a felony, he then charged at neighbors trying to detain him until the cops arrived. This is on him and the jogging culture he participated in.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:21 am to Azkiger
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Arbery was committing a felony
There is no evidence of this and even if there was they had no direct knowledge of it.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:23 am to mouton
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There is no evidence of this and even if there was they had no direct knowledge of it.
Georgia law for felony burglary only requires intent to steal. No items have to be stolen.
He was committing a felony by entering a structure meant to be a dwelling and looking for something to steal.
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