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re: Aereo: How can anyone argue this is anything other than theft?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:41 pm to Taxing Authority
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:41 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:I'm not versed in this but it looks like this company has solved the problem you might have if you just bought an antenna and put it on your house(namely, spotty signal). They seem to be using large pick up antennas and then they sell you an antenna for your home that pulls that in.
im confused. Do they transcribe it and retransmit via internet, or do they physically run coax to your house? If the latter, than I'm completely wrong about the whole thing.
In effect, that's the rough equivalent of the cable company picking up the signal and then running it to your house with the exception that the cable company pays the networks for this right.
But, I'm conflicted because in the final analysis, I can't even figure out why the cable companies MUST pay the networks since the networks by definition broadcast the signal for free to anyone who can pick it up. They make their $$ on commercials.
Would seem to me that this company or cable companies are doing networks a favor by piping their signal into homes in that they expand the number of people who might see the commercials.
I'd say that absent cable companies piping this stuff in, network commercial revenue would drop PRECIPITOUSLY because fact is, their signal BLOWS when picked up strictly by antenna.
So, it sort of looks like networks want to make money off of someone expanding THE NETWORK'S source of revenue.
Am I crazy here?
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:58 pm to ShortyRob
quote:No. You've correctly identified the three-way Mexican standoff between networks, cable ops, and terrestrial broadcasters.
Am I crazy here?
It won't hurt networks. They can pick up and move to cable. It will make programming almost impossible to get for local stations. Maybe it will go back to the 50s and 60s when local stations produced a significant amount of programming. But I don't see that happening given today's advertising climate.
The only thing you left out are the content creators. They are going to have he ultimate say in he end use of their programming. It's possible they will ignore this use, but I doubt it.
Ever listen to a podcast or streaming of a radio talk show? You will hear different commercials, because commercial performers have continually refused to license for that use, and you won't hear bumper music on podcasts (though you might on streaming). Same reason.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:16 pm to Taxing Authority
They do nothing more than set up your antenna, route the signal it captures to your home. All geo locked.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:20 am to a want
To me, this just sounds like the networks are trying to muscle a few dollars out of Aereo. After all, Aereo is serving the networks best interests by expanding eyes on advertising. The networks just see a chance of grabbing a buck or two per subscription.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:51 am to Taxing Authority
Taxing_authority i think you are a bit confused on how Aereo works.
You compare it to broadcasting the superbowl on a large screen to multitude of people. that would be like if aereo set up ONE antenna and ONE DVR then sent that signal to mulitple people. They don't do that. they set up ONE antenna and ONE DVR for each person. the "cable" you talk about is still a direct connection from one person's IP address to the IP address of their rented cloud DVR.
Just because it's not a fixed COAX cable from an antenna to a tv does not mean it's not a "cable" connection. the signal just travels over multiple types of cables.
I don't have a problem w/ what Aereo does. Say you live in a small town but your house is blocked by a HUGE hill from the tv towers. You can't put up an antenna, it won't work. What Aereo does it puts up YOUR antenna at their facility then lets you watch OTA programming that you could receive if it wasn't for the big arse hill in your way.
Just because they transcode the signal from MPEG2 (which is what most broadcasts are in) to MPEG4 doesn't mean they violate any laws. They still transmit the full program along with commercials. it's just in a smaller file size.
You compare it to broadcasting the superbowl on a large screen to multitude of people. that would be like if aereo set up ONE antenna and ONE DVR then sent that signal to mulitple people. They don't do that. they set up ONE antenna and ONE DVR for each person. the "cable" you talk about is still a direct connection from one person's IP address to the IP address of their rented cloud DVR.
Just because it's not a fixed COAX cable from an antenna to a tv does not mean it's not a "cable" connection. the signal just travels over multiple types of cables.
I don't have a problem w/ what Aereo does. Say you live in a small town but your house is blocked by a HUGE hill from the tv towers. You can't put up an antenna, it won't work. What Aereo does it puts up YOUR antenna at their facility then lets you watch OTA programming that you could receive if it wasn't for the big arse hill in your way.
Just because they transcode the signal from MPEG2 (which is what most broadcasts are in) to MPEG4 doesn't mean they violate any laws. They still transmit the full program along with commercials. it's just in a smaller file size.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:06 am to mchias1
What they are doing is utilizing a loophole in the law. I think it is very obvious that a single antenna could feed a digital signal to an unlimited Internet. The premise of e small antenna for each customer is silly, but appears to circumvent the law in doing so. While I agree in principle that the service is built on the back of a loophole, I don't see how the Justices can rule against Aereo under current law.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:12 am to HubbaBubba
If they do, cloud based services are on radar.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:26 am to a want
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But the nightclub pays royalties for playing the song in their nightclub!
I'm not reading this thread to see if this has been answered, but DJ's buy music through Promo Only and other music publications which gives them access to it for a pretty marginal fee. The record companies want their crap played in clubs and bars.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:37 am to elprez00
TVFool.com
In case anyone's interested in seeing what TV is free for their location. I've got satellite, and when tornadoes are coming, my dish looses lock when the rain gets heavy. My trusty antenna always gets a decent HD signal. I'm ~50 miles away from Red Mtn and have line-of-sight.
Make your own antenna and save the $8 per month.
In case anyone's interested in seeing what TV is free for their location. I've got satellite, and when tornadoes are coming, my dish looses lock when the rain gets heavy. My trusty antenna always gets a decent HD signal. I'm ~50 miles away from Red Mtn and have line-of-sight.
Make your own antenna and save the $8 per month.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:38 am to son of arlo
I'm still lost. How can providing what is essentially a signal booster for people who already have the right to OTA broadcasts be considered illegal?
frick ABC and frick Comcast.
frick ABC and frick Comcast.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:58 am to son of arlo
My father isn't allowed to have an antenna. Now what?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:04 am to darkhorse
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My father isn't allowed to have an antenna. Now what?
How come? HOA? My antenna is in the attic.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:28 am to son of arlo
Rules of the apartment complex. No dish, no antenna. "Rabbit ears" are allowed, but you get no stations. Cable in his area will not allow you to purchase just local channels. You have to get their "basic" package.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:35 am to darkhorse
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Rules of the apartment complex. No dish, no antenna.
Federal Law does not allow for these restrictions. He can have a "dish" or antenna (size limits) as long as they are attached to his "exclusive use and control" areas. That means his own balconies, porch, walls, etc. He can't have it on a pole in common area (for example) without complex permission.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:56 am to darkhorse
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"Rabbit ears" are allowed, but you get no stations.
My antenna is about 4 feet tall, 3 feet wide, and 2 inches thick. It's basically a hot rodded version of rabbit ears. One oak plank, some #10 household wiring, silver solder, a $2 dongle converter from wire to coax. Don't scrimp on the coax and watch where you route the cable. If he's living in an "apartment complex," then he must be in some type of urban situation, ergo there's free signal available.
Life is all one big science experiment. It's a fun project.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:14 pm to darkhorse
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That will change if they don't Win. This case will change the market!
I just don't think you have a clue on why they make programs...the ONLY reason they have TV programs is to raise viewership and sell more advertising at higher prices...so they send the programming out for free for ANYONE WITH AN ANTENNA to grab and watch. It boggles my mind that they want to stop Aereo for inventing a grabbing of the signal and making it more appealing to consumers. By watching Aereo, the consumer will be zoned in to network TV only, instead of a cable feed that offers hundreds of channels!
They simply want a piece of Aereo's action and are completely pissed they didn't do this themselves. They are the ones that had the extremely dumb myopic view that the same old antenna would remain that way forever and/or thought the market would completely go the pay route thru cable/dish.
Coming in now and saying they forbid you to make a better antenna service is troubling.
1. It is a free signal sent out for any consumer to grab and RE-BROADCAST on their personal devices.
2. The consumer still owns the antenna and the device/s
3. So now the consumer can watch the programs and more importantly the ADVERTISEMENTS on their device on a free signal received by their antenna, and the networks don't like it?
Simply Wow!
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:23 pm to GeeOH
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So now the consumer can watch the programs and more importantly the ADVERTISEMENTS on their device on a free signal received by their antenna, and the networks don't like it?
Maybe they're getting greedy? Sometimes I wonder why I'm paying $80/month to watch commercials.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:43 pm to GeeOH
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I just don't think you have a clue on why they make programs..
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It boggles my mind that they want to stop Aereo for inventing a grabbing of the signal and making it more appealing to consumers.
Maybe there's something you don't get. As it has been pointed out at least a half dozen times in this thread, the "content providers" is the problem.
I'll ask again: What do you think will happen to the content if the content providers aren't getting paid?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:45 pm to a want
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I'll ask again: What do you think will happen to the content if the content providers aren't getting paid?
Why wouldn't they get paid?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:46 pm to darkhorse
I have a feeling there are 2 types of people in this thread:
those who never pay for music, and those who always do
those who never pay for music, and those who always do
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