re: Actor Shia LeBeouf converts to Catholicism

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The Catholic Church has never taught we "earn" our salvation. It is an inheritance (Galatians 5:21), freely given to anyone who becomes a child of God (1 John 3:1), so long as they remain that way (John 15:1-11). You can't earn it but you can lose the free gift given from the Father (James 1:17).

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Saying we're saved by faith is fine and dandy (it's biblical), but what Rome did is say that faith alone is not sufficient to save. It's why the Council of Trent said that anyone who believes that faith alone in Christ is sufficient to justify a person is accursed.

CANON 9: “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.”

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John 15:10-11 shows actions needed, just as every parable of Jesus shows actions

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No one can keep His commandments, at least not perfectly. That's the entire reason why Jesus had to keep the law perfectly and die as a sacrifice for sin. He paid the debt that we cannot pay. He merited with His good works that which we cannot merit by ours.

Our works are an evidence of saving faith, not an addition to faith.

I am not Catholic. I am not a Calvinist. I am a Christian who believes that salvation come from Christ and Christ alone.

However, I do not agree with the out of hand dismal of the salvation of those who are Catholics. There are Catholics who have found salvation in Christ while a member of the Church. You're speaking things you ought not to nor have the authority too.

Of course, there are Catholics who are hell bound the same as there are Baptists, Methodists, etc who are hell bound. When a church or denomination takes precedent in a person's life over Christ there is a problem.

I do not agree with Catholic doctrine or the claimed history, but I am not going to sit here and say Catholics are not saved by Christ. That's too much.

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He appears to have joined himself to an organization that denies the sufficiency of faith in Christ’s atoning work on the cross for salvation.

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Ah yes, faith alone. Unless of course you’re Sola Scriptura then it’s scripture alone.

You Protestants are an interesting bunch.

Faith without works is dead, there would be no scripture without the Catholic Church and her traditions.

These branches hatin’ the trunk threads are always fun.


What part of the Nicene Creed is objectionable?

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Catholicism doesn't teach that gospel message.

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The Catholic Church does not now, nor has it ever, taught a doctrine of salvation by works…that we can “work” our way into Heaven. Additionally, nowhere in the Bible does it teach that we are saved by “faith alone.” The only place in all of Scripture where the phrase “faith alone” appears is in James 2:24, where it says that we are not justified (or saved) by faith alone. The Bible says very clearly that we are not saved by faith alone.Works do have something to do with our salvation. Numerous passages in the New Testament that I know of about judgment says we will be judged by our works, not by whether or not we have faith alone. We see this in Romans 2, Matthew 15 and 16, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 20 and 22, 2 Corinthians 5, and many, many more verses. If we are saved by faith alone, why does 1 Corinthians 13:13 say that love is greater than faith? Shouldn’t it be the other way around? As Catholics we believe that we are saved by God’s grace alone. We can do nothing, apart from God’s grace, to receive the free gift of salvation. We also believe, however, that we have to respond to God’s grace. Protestants believe that, too. However, many Protestants believe that the only response necessary is an act of faith; whereas, Catholics believe a response of faith and works is necessary…or, as the Bible puts it in Galatians 5:6, “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumsion is of any avail, but faith working through love…” Faith working through love…just as the Church teaches.

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Ah yes, faith alone. Unless of course you’re Sola Scriptura then it’s scripture alone.

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Faith alone (in Christ's atoning work) is the basis for our salvation. Scripture alone is our highest standard and rule for faith and life. Those are two different things and are not contrary to each other.

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Faith without works is dead

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Very true. Simple intellectual knowledge of God or Jesus is not sufficient to save anyone as it isn't a heart knowledge brought about by the Spirit. True, saving faith is evidenced by the production of good works that flow from the Spirit's work in us, not us working apart from the Spirit.

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there would be no scripture without the Catholic Church and her traditions.

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Not true. The scriptures were written by men carried along by the Spirit. They were the word of God before any council received it as such.

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These branches hatin’ the trunk threads are always fun.

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The trunk is Christ. We are grafted in to Him, not Rome.

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What part of the Nicene Creed is objectionable?

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None of it.

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AubieinNC2009

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As soon as you add additional requirements (works) to Christ's work on the cross as a means of merit for salvation, then the gospel of Jesus Christ has been changed to something other than what the scriptures teach. Rome teaches that grace is the basis for all that follows, including our cooperation with God through good works. However it is couched, it is something we do that merits our justification before God.

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As soon as you add additional requirements (works) to Christ's work on the cross as a means of merit for salvation, then the gospel of Jesus Christ has been changed to something other than what the scriptures teach.

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The scriptures themselves are "additional works."