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re: A very, very simple question?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:40 pm to rocksteady
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:40 pm to rocksteady
quote:
You keep saying no one has answered your question - it’s just a really stupid question and your insistence upon someone producing an answer is….
Chose this reply because it's representative of most replies so far. In essence it asks, "What right do you have to know?" My answer is straightforward: Last I checked we were a Constitutional Republic where the elected leaders exercise power and govern on behalf of the citizenry. What Trump has done is the exact opposite: exercised power without the knowledge or consent of the citizenry. In short: It's your Constitutional Right as an American Citizen to know and consent to the treaties your president is signing. It's no more constitutional for Trump to do it than it would be for Obama or Biden. Who is sitting in the Oval office is inconsequential. I'm stunned at the amount of people who have completely abdicated that right, and again, none of that answers the initial question.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 7:42 pm
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Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:42 pm to SemperFiDawg
quote:
What right do you have to know?" My answer is straightforward: Last I checked we were a Constitutional Republic where the elected leaders exercise power and govern on behalf of the citizenry.
Read my last post
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:43 pm to SemperFiDawg
“ I frequent a political forum consisting of older, staunch MAGA. I posed this question and was lambasted for my TDS for just daring to pose such a question. ”(quote SFD).
Well, your peers were right in chewing you out for being impatient. Just like you are doing, the Leftist/MSM would nit pick and spin in order to create political chaos BEFORE the Deal was even signed. The people Trump is dealing with are just like the Dems, delusional fanatics. He needs their SIGNATURES on the line so that the future action (legitimate threat therein) which we all know will be required can be sufficient as to either goad the crazies into acquiescence or open them to assassination.
Trump is trying to help the good folk in Iraq instead of taking Dow their infrastructure and creating a Global oil disaster for years. Get off his back and in the team and pray that it works.
Well, your peers were right in chewing you out for being impatient. Just like you are doing, the Leftist/MSM would nit pick and spin in order to create political chaos BEFORE the Deal was even signed. The people Trump is dealing with are just like the Dems, delusional fanatics. He needs their SIGNATURES on the line so that the future action (legitimate threat therein) which we all know will be required can be sufficient as to either goad the crazies into acquiescence or open them to assassination.
Trump is trying to help the good folk in Iraq instead of taking Dow their infrastructure and creating a Global oil disaster for years. Get off his back and in the team and pray that it works.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:48 pm to Prodigal Son
quote:
Do you think Trump is incompetent, or corrupt? If so, why?
Where I stand on Trump is inconsequential. One's political allegiance shouldn't have any bearing on the answer. The fact that it has for almost every response so far demonstrates most people can't step out of their ideology even to answer an otherwise simple, straightforward question. It is what it is.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:49 pm to rtr72
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Jeez, another BS "I a Trump supported, but really I am a lib who has TDS and I hate the USA.
Like clockwork.
THALL SHALL NOT QUESTION THE GOD EMPEROR
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:50 pm to Mushroom1968
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The gulf nations have asked us not to until some wording and sequencing gets finalized. It will be released anytime from tomorrow or Friday
Now that makes sense. Thanks for the first legitimate answer to the question so far.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:51 pm to SemperFiDawg
quote:These are not the same. MAGA is not necessarily conservative. More like 1970s union guys.
: I'm about as hard Right Conservative as they come. I frequent a political forum consisting of older, staunch MAGA
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:53 pm to SemperFiDawg
He literally came out and said it will be published and he will likely read it so the media can’t spin it.
Catch up
Try harder
Catch up
Try harder
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:54 pm to TigerReich
Is it hard to be this dumb or does it come naturally?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:55 pm to 844_Tiger
You don’t know shite about what’s good or bad you little sticky fingered keyboard warrior.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 7:57 pm to SemperFiDawg
quote:It might not be great at all.
Question: If the "deal" Trump has cut with Iran is so great why not publish it for the American people to view.
It might not look good to publish it and have the whole world talking about the great deal is which would most likely come at Iran’s expense.
Might not be done..?
Idk
Plenty reasons.
Why do you ask?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:00 pm to Jake88
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MAGA is not necessarily conservative
Trust me. I'm aware. IMHO Conservativism is belief in a set of ideals whereas MAGA is more of a cult of personality revolving around Trump who co-oped some, but certainly not all conservative ideas. I'm a Conservative. Where conservative values and Trump align I support him. Where they diverge I don't. MAGA will be gone when Trump is gone in 28. Conservative ideologies won't.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:04 pm to SemperFiDawg
quote:
Context: I'm about as hard Right Conservative as they come. I frequent a political forum consisting of older, staunch MAGA. I posed this question and was lambasted for my TDS for just daring to pose such a question. Hoping for a better response from this younger crowd.
Question: If the "deal" Trump has cut with Iran is so great why not publish it for the American people to view.
I get this completely and have been a critic of Trump's actions in Iran since last summer. But, I'm just gonna wait to see what's official. No use in teeing off on Trump right now when we don't know the details...even though I'm a big skeptic.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:08 pm to SemperFiDawg
Pay a little attention to geopolitics and you’d know the answer. First, a framework deal is reached. This is where we are. Then negotiations over particulars like conditions, money, dates, international considerations, reconstruction, etc. get worked out and agreed to. Then a formal treaty is drafted, ratified, then ultimately signed and made public.
If this was meant to be a cloaked gotcha, it’s a shitty one.
If this was meant to be a cloaked gotcha, it’s a shitty one.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:10 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Why do you ask?
Legit question. Thanks for asking.
Constitutional issues aside, the answer is twofold. First, It has the potential to put much of the criticism to bed if indeed it is a good deal. Second, I have a strong sense of foreboding it's a horrible deal. Trump was bold enough to inform Iran when he was going to bomb them which is unheard of. He was bold enough to publicly trash Bibi Netanyahu. I gotta think that if this deal was indeed "great" he would be blasting it on Truth Social. He hasn't even informed the members of Congress in his own party nor Israel who was our closest ally and the MOU reportedly involves their national security. That just doesn't bode well IMHO.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:12 pm to SemperFiDawg
quote:Maybe because currently it isn't in its final form and some trial balloons were floated the past 2 days?
Question: If the "deal" Trump has cut with Iran is so great why not publish it for the American people to view
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:12 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
If this was meant to be a cloaked gotcha, it’s a shitty one.
It wasn't
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:14 pm to LanierSpots
quote:Ennnnh, dont know about this.
You are owed nothing
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:18 pm to Jake88
quote:
Maybe because currently it isn't in its final form and some trial balloons were floated the past 2 days?
Well I'll ask the same question that has already been asked on the last page.
quote:
What exactly did we electronically sign if it is still under negotiation?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:19 pm to TigerReich
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He wants you to believe there are 'back channel agreements' that just can't be published...."muh, believe me"...since that's what we should blindly do without reservation
Trump is a terrible communicator and a not so good bullshitter like we've been led to believe.
Trump is no Reagan. But he's worlds better than Kamabla.
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