re: A lot of MAGA did not vote for these wars

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Israel is NOT a US ally. They are the puppet masters that pull all of the US strings. Our military serves their interests and rarely our own.

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I found the Joo moron.

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Israel is NOT a US ally. They are the puppet masters that pull all of the US strings. Our military serves their interests and rarely our own.

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How’s that freshman political science class going?

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A free Iran with minimal blood loss will be a major W.

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I agree.

I am just not confident that this will be the result of our actions.

I voted for GEOTUS.

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Quite possibly but I think the clarification is MAGA not desiring these protracted endless wars

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Not if this board is any indication of MAGA (which it is).

At this point I've been arguing with you populists for six years about American foreign policy, and not once did anyone clarify their objectons to interventions as you said.

Huckster Carlson started early in the Biden administration leading y'all easily led Maga people into a non interventionist stupor and refrains of "Muh 'Merca Fust," abounded here.

And not once did anyone say that "Muh 'Merca Fust" just meant protracted long term quagmires, but short term interventions were o.k.

Back then, "Muh 'Merca Fust" was accompanied by statements like, "When are you sending YOUR children over there?" "I'm not sending MY kids to die for some other country!" "Delta's waiting...if you care about the Iranian people so much, head on over there and knock yourself out!" "We've got a debt of $36 Trillion, we don't need to be spending any money on some other country,"

And blah, blah, blah, etc., etc., etc. Someone even started a thread asking people whether they would take up arms against a country who attacked the US on American soil and the majority said they wouldn't.

But in none of those blahs, nor any of those etc.s was there any objection such as what you just raised. It's revisionist MAGA history.

Why do you think Trump promised no new wars during the campaign? Because he watches the focus groups too. He knew y'all had accepted the idea that we needed to revert back to Jimmy Carter era foreign policy and become the Great World Pussy.

But Trump has always been on the right side of foreign policy. That's why the "I didn't vote for this" is so stupid. Unless you spent Trump's entire first term with your head up your arse, it should have been obvious to y'all that he wasn't going to be the isolationist pussy y'all claimed you wanted in 2024.

Regardless of what he said during the campaign (Newsflash...politicians say shite just to get elected. Newsflash #2—Trump is a politician).

Huckster taught y'all—just like parrots—to object to any military intervention and y'all held that sacred right up until Trump started kicking arse around the world, and then flipped on a dime. I'm seeing the exact same people laud everything Trump has done foreign policy-wise who even four months ago were still posting "Muh 'Merca Fust," and asking who was going to send their kids to die for some other country.

Case in point:

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on the heels of the weak Joe Biden

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This board—from 2022 on, when Biden said he would use force to stop Iran from acquiring nukes—this board literally posted regularly that Biden and the Democrats were trying to "start WWIII for profit" just because of the stuff they said about Iran.

And I kept posting that if WWIII broke out it would be because Biden was too lax, not because he was to aggressive.

But naw, naw, naw, MAGA said, "Muh 'Merca Fust," downvote, kids, whose kids you sending, the "Deep State" wants war, the "Globalists" will start WWIII and Biden is doing their bidding, etc., etc., etc.

"The distinction is that we don't want a protracted morass," is nothing but revisionist bullshite. You may NOT want a protracted morass (who does?), but that is NOT why y'all have posted like Jimmy Carter pussies for six years.

Biden did X, so you fretted and complained and said he was going to start WWIII. Trump is doing 100X and that's just fine with y'all.

Because that was Biden and this is Trump.

Populism really does scare me. When I post that it will be the end of civilization as we know it, I'm not being hyperbolic. It's like it literally hypnotizes people. It's the true Jedi Mind Trick.

Huckster Carlson: "These aren't the droids you're looking for."

MAGA, repeating, glassy eyed and monotone: "These aren't the droids we're looking for."

Trump: "These ARE the droids you're looking for."

MAGA, repeating, glassy eyed and monotone: "These are the droids we're looking for."

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There was an argument to be made that Israel was really the only immediate benefactor in the region from this war.

Then Iran began indiscriminately attacking Arab nations and forced the gulf states to make a choice. They chose the U.S. and Israel and it became clear this is a new age of regional political leadership and a unique opportunity never seen before in any of our lifetimes.

This is why you don’t react emotionally- positively or negatively- before the full picture comes into view."

I agree 100%. IF there is to ever be any semblance of peace, the bully at the table, Iran, had to be removed. Other nations there feared them and their ability to shut down the Strait at their discretion was a tool used to manipulate oil / gas prices. Does us no good to be energy independent if the world markets are being held hostage by these thugs. At least now the Ayatollah will be able to vote in the Dem primary this fall....