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A little perspective on racial inequality and "white privilege"

Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:29 am
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:29 am
What are the roots of white privilege and why is still considered a thing?
I am sure many of you will simply downvote or reply "tl;dr". That's ok.

I'm just offering little primer about the institutionalized foundation of racial inequality and its long lasting legacy whose effects still linger today. This is not all inclusive as it excludes the effects of Jim Crow laws in the South following reconstruction.

“40 Acres and a mule” was a real thing and occurred (briefly). Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the original owners”

The 1866 Homestead Act included black Americans and encouraged them to participate, but rampant discrimination, systemic barriers and bureaucratic inertia slowed black gains. Plus, even the low prices and fees were often too much for the applicants to afford.

New Deal
The National Recovery Administration,not only offered whites the first crack at jobs, but authorized separate and lower pay scales for Blacks

The Federal Housing Administration created in 1934, was to insure loans for construction and repairs of homes. White middle-class families could buy suburban homes with little or no down payments and extended 30-year amortization schedules and their monthly charges were often less than rents the families had previously paid to housing authorities or private landlords. But the FHA had an explicit policy of not insuring suburban mortgages for African-Americans

The 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) drove many black farmers from the land. As subsidies were paid to (usually white) landlords for not growing certain crops on a part of their land, black (and white) sharecroppers and other tenants were the first victims of the new policy. The evicted farmers were often forced to migrate to northern cities as the southern countryside had no alternative to offer.

The GI Bill helped white Americans prosper and accumulate wealth in the postwar years, it didn’t deliver on that promise for black veterans. In fact, the wide disparity in the bill’s implementation ended up helping drive growing gaps in wealth, education and civil rights between white and black Americans.
While the GI Bill’s language did not specifically exclude African-American veterans from its benefits, it was structured in a way that ultimately shut doors for the 1.2 black veterans who had bravely served their country during World War II, in segregated ranks.

All this time blacks were receiving inferior education through the principle of “separate but equal” (see Plessy v Ferguson). Black schools were certainly not equal in terms of facilities, books or faculty.

Now It doesn’t take genius to see that, while whites were allowed to build equity and advance their education, blacks were simply struggling to achieve their “Inalienable rights” to be treated equally.

I might add that many programs which could have been beneficial for blacks were fought by powerful Southern Senators and Representatives, Democrats who would later form the foundation of the Southern GOP.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:30 am to
This white boy tryin to be a preacher
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21563 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:32 am to
What's your theory on single parent households in the black community going from below 25% during the great depression (extreme poverty and systemic racism) to over 70% today?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422409 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:33 am to
hey don't forget unions, many of which were created to keep out lower-wage minorities form markets
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12061 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:34 am to
I guess my question would be, with all the white privilege we have here in the USA, would African Americans be better off today if we never had slavery and they never left Africa?
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 8:36 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422409 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:34 am to
quote:

What's your theory on single parent households in the black community going from below 25% during the great depression (extreme poverty and systemic racism) to over 70% today?

government programs that created negative externatlities in the black population is the definition of structural/systemic racism
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53464 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:34 am to
quote:

JohnnyU


DO you speak for POC like me ?


quote:

What are the roots of white privilege and why is still considered a thing?



Nobody is kept from an education today. Nobody is being kept down from moving forward in life.

quote:

Democrats who would later form the foundation of the Southern GOP.



You are full of shite and lying. It was the democrats that passed the last crime bill. Where they called people predators.

And here's the news that you are lying about...


The 38 NAYS on that bill that was signed into law by Clinton.... they were ALL GOP save 1. And it was mainly SOUTHERN GOP senators that saw what it would do and did not vote for it!



You are not going to rewrite history.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
8884 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:35 am to
You're are right but probably left but, right, I just down voted.

You can't wrap everything, everyone up in one nice neat bow.

Either we are diverse or, stand as one people.

AMERICANS.
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:35 am to
I noticed you left off the last 60 years where blacks (the ones who are alive and in the work force today) have gotten every f*cking advantage government could dream up through Affirmative Action/Diversity, set-asides, quotas, etc., often set up by blacks who fully control the cities that run these unconstitutional and racist programs.

Pretty much every white person in the work force today has been the victim of systemic and EXPLICITLY GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED racism

How much f*cking more of this are we going to have to endure before someone realizes that it's just as RACIST as Jim Crow and all of those other examples you have given?
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 8:45 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422409 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:35 am to
quote:

I guess my question would be, with all the white privilege we have here in the USA, would African Americans be better of today if we never had slavery and they never left Africa?


shitty "arguments" like this are why this board can't have a real discussion on the issue
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53464 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:37 am to
The 38 nays


Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (R-CO)
Burns (R-MT)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coverdell (R-GA)
Craig (R-ID)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Dole (R-KS)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durenberger (R-MN)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Gorton (R-WA)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hatfield (R-OR)
Helms (R-NC)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Mack (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nickles (R-OK)
Packwood (R-OR)
Pressler (R-SD)
Shelby (D-AL)
Simpson (R-WY)
Smith (R-NH)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Warner (R-VA)



Uneducated kid.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34651 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:37 am to
quote:

The Federal Housing Administration created in 1934, was to insure loans for construction and repairs of homes. White middle-class families could buy suburban homes with little or no down payments and extended 30-year amortization schedules and their monthly charges were often less than rents the families had previously paid to housing authorities or private landlords. But the FHA had an explicit policy of not insuring suburban mortgages for African-Americans

quote:

The 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) drove many black farmers from the land. As subsidies were paid to (usually white) landlords for not growing certain crops on a part of their land, black (and white) sharecroppers and other tenants were the first victims of the new policy. The evicted farmers were often forced to migrate to northern cities as the southern countryside had no alternative to offer.

Sounds like FDR was a racist.
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12061 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:38 am to
quote:

shitty "arguments" like this are why this board can't have a real discussion on the issue


I think it’s more because some people on here are trying to gain internet clout with their posts on a message board instead of actually making a valid argument.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19239 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:42 am to
quote:

40 Acres and a mule” was a real thing


Ok. Let's bring it back.

Reparations solved.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
9820 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:42 am to
Here is my personal opinion.

White Privilege is just majority privilege. It isn't something we get inherently due to our skin color. It's being able to go somewhere and almost always being around people who look like you. It's having tv and movies and commercials cater to you since the goal is to sell products to the most people possible. That's it.

There are many different privileges. The most unfair is wealth privilege. That's the one that allows you to get out of jail when most others would go. That's the one that assures your success even if you don't try. The difference between white and wealth privilege is that anyone can benefit from wealth privilege it's not something that cares about race.

So I will admit that I have majority privilege but I will not admit to having advantages over any other race in terms of employment, education, or law. If you want to find privilege in those areas, lets look at black privilege and female privilege.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5007 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:46 am to
125,000 Vietnamese immigrated to the US after the fall of Saigon in and around 1975. Most of those people had nothing and could not speak the English language. It took them 10 years, 10 fricking years, to begin to flourish. It is education, hard work, and focusing on family. The Vietnamese didn't complain about "racial inequality" and "white privilege". They just went to work and got it done.

Why can one group come to this country and succeed in a short period of time and another who has been in the US for a long time continue to struggle?

What do you and BLM want? You want money, free this, free that, ete etc etc. The "free stuff" has not worked. The free stuff has destroyed the black family. You Democrats need to admit that. The thing that the black community needs to focus on is "doing better". Doing better by focusing on family, education and hard work.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 8:50 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72618 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:48 am to
quote:

I noticed you left off the last 60 years where blacks (the ones who are alive and in the work force today) have gotten every f*cking advantage government could dream up through Affirmative Action/Diversity, set-asides, quotas, etc., often set up by blacks who fully control the cities that run these unconstitutional and racist programs.

Pretty much every white person in the work force today has been the victim of systemic and EXPLICITLY GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED racism



yep minority grants and schollies, etc.

OP is a democrat hack.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 9:03 am
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9261 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:49 am to
Okay. So how do you explain the last 60 years then?
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:50 am to
quote:

There are many different privileges. The most unfair is wealth privilege. That's the one that allows you to get out of jail when most others would go. That's the one that assures your success even if you don't try. The difference between white and wealth privilege is that anyone can benefit from wealth privilege it's not something that cares about race.



Which one would you rather have?

I remember some of my "wealthier" black classmates (at least a lot wealthier than I was) in grad school talking about the racism they endured whenever they walked into a store on Rodeo Drive and having some store clerk look at them strange and in an accusatory manner strictly because they were black. I asked them, "Would you rather have some minimum wage flunkie look at them strange but be able to afford anything in the store that they wanted to buy, OR, not be looked at 'strange' but not be able to afford a damn thing in the store?"
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
9820 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Which one would you rather have?


Give me wealth any day. Idiots would look at a lower class whites in the same damn way on Rodeo drive.
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