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re: 79% of Pharma profits come from the USA vs only 4.2% of the worlds population.

Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125759 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:15 pm to
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It’s due to the medicare modernization act passed in 2003 that stripped CMS’ ability to negotiate rx prices with manufacturers


If I said exactly the opposite of what you posted, I would be right at least 95% of the time. Perhaps higher.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20704 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:17 pm to
Them bribes and payoffs to CONgress makes Corporate billions upon billions in profits.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2935 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:18 pm to
That number is too high. I’ve seen countless regional splits between North America, Europe and Asia, and the number is in the low to mid 60’s. That’s accounting for the pricing disparity as well.

ETA: I’d be curious whether the number quoted is net of rebates, etc in the US. The US rebates and other allowances are higher than elsewhere.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
23948 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:31 pm to
Why is that?
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6175 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:37 pm to
We are the cow being milked.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:49 pm to
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And with the fatties come a lot of drugs that pharma sells. Yes, we pay more for drugs. But we also buy a lot more drugs due to how poorly we take care of ourselves.


The only reason we buy more drugs is because we are affluent. Or have you forgotten how AIDS infected most of Africa is? Not to mention the malaria and other mosquito borne illnesses, the sickle cell disease… the list is long.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
15763 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:55 pm to
Over half of all pharmaceutical drug research and production is done here in the USA... why the frick are we charging more than any other country?!

I know the answer, but it's completely asinine, and counter intuitive... frick insurance companies for paying $500 for a bandaid at a hospital... frick insurance companies for paying $100/Tylenol at a hospital... the system is rigged, and it's not rigged for you or i

Its a big club, and we ain't in it
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
14299 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:57 pm to
This used to be the kind of thing liberals would kick and scream over. Now all of them are going to find a reason to say this is a good thing and they wonder why people have walked away from their party.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2935 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:59 pm to
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Over half of all pharmaceutical drug research and production is done here in the USA... why the frick are we charging more than any other country?!


It’s not a simple as that. Non US pharma companies use their US R&D as contractors that are reimbursed by the overseas entity. This allows them to take advantage of lower tax rates elsewhere.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9803 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 3:03 pm to
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I’m not sure you’re making the point you think you are


My point is that as a nation we’re fat. Really fricking fat. Don’t read into any further and you’ll agree.

If you want to read any further into it we’re fat because of a large number of people (40% or so) having very poor diets and little personal responsibility, both of which are choices they make. Now with the lazy fatties comes a need for more prescriptions that pharma is more than happy to develop. Prescriptions that Americans pay more for. Doctors that overprescribe meds too. Unscrupulous doctors, coupled with lazy Americans and corporations that are fleecing its US customers. Because we’re not just fat… we’re stupid too. Hopefully that changes.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
15763 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 3:04 pm to
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It’s not a simple as that. Non US pharma companies use their US R&D as contractors that are reimbursed by the overseas entity. This allows them to take advantage of lower tax rates elsewhere.


Even more reason that our rates should be cheaper than the rest of the world

We are being over-prescribed at an above cost rate... it's flat out infuriating that this is allowed to occur
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10802 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 3:13 pm to
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We’re also about 90% of the fat asses in the world.


Actually, we're not. The rest of the world is catching up fast.

And that actually has nothing to do with that stat.

It has to do with virtually every other country on the planet refusing to protect the intellectual property of the drug companies, so they manufacture generic versions of the drugs immediately.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
13193 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 3:23 pm to
Well, in order to reduce the carbon footprint we should no longer subsidize medicine for third world shitholes and decrease the footprints.
Posted by MC5601
Tyler, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
4241 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 3:28 pm to
So THAT'S how these other countries get their medical care so cheap.. Americans are paying for it.. Got it
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16729 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:05 pm to
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We also have had an ridiculous culture of over-prescribing for decades now and doctors, psychiatrists, therapists, etc using medication for every little thing.


Its worse than that. Doctors prescribe a drug for an ailment, drug comes with numerous side effects. But dont worry, they have another drug to help with those side effects. But the side effect drug has side effects. So another drug.

rinse and repeat.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10802 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:14 pm to
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So THAT'S how these other countries get their medical care so cheap.. Americans are paying for it.. Got it


Well, it's how they get their pharmaceuticals so cheap.

Yeah.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10802 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:26 pm to
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Them bribes and payoffs to CONgress makes Corporate billions upon billions in profits.


This thread is comedy gold.

I'll say it one more time, then I'm leaving the thread.

With more detail this time:

Over 90% of the applied medical R&D in the world is funded by US companies.

This is because the US protects patents on pharmaceuticals and medical devices.

Other countries do not.

Therefore, we have to pay the going rate for whatever the pharmaceutical companies charge with no competition for the drugs.

Other countries are able to manufacture generic versions immediately without having to wait until the patent expires.

That is why theirs are so much cheaper than ours. There are a few other reasons too, but that's the big one.

But it's not a corporate conspiracy cooked up in a smokey back room with a bunch of guys twisting their mustaches and belting out evil guffaws. This is why populists so frequently end up in the wrong side of issues...because y'all cannot understand that two things can be true at the same time.

People can greedily lean into making money when the opportunity presents itself, but that doesn't mean that the entire circumstance exists only for that purpose.

Remember this, from the top of the post? "Over 90% of the applied medical R&D in the world is funded by US companies."

If the US does like all these other countries and stops protecting the patents, that R&D will come to a grinding halt. There will be no reason to develop new technologies and drugs.

It sucks that we pay the freight for basically everyone else in the world on pharmaceuticals. But our government is doing the correct thing in terms of continuing to incentivize R&D. It's everyone else's government that is not being responsible and just letting us cut the wind for them.

What should happen is that our government should pressure other governments to legally protect the patents. Then the companies could make the revenue they needed by volume. The price would come up some for them, but it would come way down for us.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 4:28 pm
Posted by chalupa
Member since Jan 2011
6895 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:28 pm to
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We’re also about 90% of the fat asses in the world.


Not sure why you’re being downvoted. Two things can be right at the same time.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:34 pm to
This board looks more and more like DU every day.
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
6140 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:38 pm to
Those in charge have viewed us as nothing more than Guinea pigs.
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