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re: $572 Million Decision Against J&J in Opioid Trial - Why we can't have anything nice
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:15 pm to cajunangelle
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:15 pm to cajunangelle
quote:Yeah - there are 7 or 8 drugs for opioid induced constipation now. That should be telling in and of itself.
Back in 2010 I was on pain meds for a surgery and took them and got off of them as quickly as I could. What no one told me was the digestive issues they cause afterwards. I was making an appt for a specialist thinking I was dying or somehing. Then a Duke Univ surgeon told me the opioids caused the awful bowel movement related symptoms. The only thing that helped was pro-biotics that I researched and took way before they were in every drug store..
Nowadays it is commonly known but it seems doctors were not informing.
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:21 pm to NC_Tigah
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the state had argued, and aggressively marketed opioids to doctors
According to the State the doctors are the only ones smart enough to prescribe the pills, but not smart enough to put their patients care before advertising.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:23 pm to NC_Tigah
This is not a good ruling. This opens the door for lawsuits against companies and holding them liable when the customers misuse them. Such as gun manufacturers.
The left will use this case as a precedent to go after gun manufacturers and bankrupt them
The left will use this case as a precedent to go after gun manufacturers and bankrupt them
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:25 pm to BuckyCheese
A lot of those docs were told or encouraged to prescribe at the time when a patient's pain level upon discharge was tied into reimbursement scores.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:26 pm to LSURussian
quote:Because the suit was for . . . . wait 4 it . . . . . $17BILLION.
JNJ stock is UP $3.05/share in after hours trading, or about +2.5%.
Oklahoma Wanted $17 Billion!
Where else on the planet has there been a $17 Billion medical suit?
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:27 pm to SlapahoeTribe
quote:Well done.
According to the State the doctors are the only ones smart enough to prescribe the pills, but not smart enough to put their patients care before advertising.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:33 pm to cajunangelle
quote:The US government, and to a lesser extent hospitals, who forced this should pay. The doctors who were extorted by government and facilities to overprescribe should have their licenses suspended or revoked.
The docs that prescribed them like M&M's should pay not everybody
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:40 pm to Diamondawg
No thanks for the Rx's for this 
I will take pro biotics OTC, thanks.
I will take pro biotics OTC, thanks.Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Care to guess why you pay a shitton for US medical care and drugs?
Because of the way the federal government sets the rates for goods and services in that market.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:44 pm to NC_Tigah
I've been melting all day with this case because of what it opens the door to for other companies and industries. This makes no sense from a high level analysis. The argument that one guy lied and everybody took the bait is ultra retarded. What is the point of the FDA if they themselves couldn't figure out that a drug with opium in it is addictive?
There are multiple channels you can place blame for the epidemic, but the company that makes a drug that works exactly how it should selling it legally is not one of them.
There are multiple channels you can place blame for the epidemic, but the company that makes a drug that works exactly how it should selling it legally is not one of them.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:45 pm to deltaland
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The left will use this case as a precedent to go after gun manufacturers and bankrupt them
I believe that's been tried and struck down.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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CMS mandated pain scores which patients assigned for themselves. Poorer pain scores were equated by government bureaucrats with poor care, and diminished reimbursement regardless of legitimacy of the complaint. Hospitals could lose millions in annual reimbursements if doctors did not attend to "pain" rather than patients. When doctors were less than compliant in response, hospitals hired their own more compliant MDs. Voila! Problem solved.
Insert Morgan Freeman “He’s right you know.”
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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aggressively marketed opioids to doctors and patients as safe and effective
If this is true then they absolutely deserve every consequence they get.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:54 pm to WylieTiger
quote:There was a segment on 60 minutes last night where some doctor in Florida is doing like a 120 years for running a pill mill. Don't remember all of the numbers but they were staggering. The one that struck me was he prescribed a 1000 pills (don't think they said which one other than it was an opioid) 1000 pills to a pregnant lady.
A lot of those docs were told or encouraged to prescribe at the time when a patient's pain level upon discharge was tied into reimbursement scores.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:59 pm to Nguyener
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If this is true then they absolutely deserve every consequence they get.
Opioids are safe and effective if used properly.
The patent for hydrocodone was issued in 1923.
Do you think that 95 years later something magical happened?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:06 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Guess again?
Care to guess why you pay a shitton for US medical care and drugs?
Because of the way the federal government sets the rates for goods and services in that market.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:13 pm to deltaland
quote:
The left will use this case as a precedent to go after gun manufacturers and bankrupt them
Oh they tried that years ago ... which is why Congress had to step in and make such lawsuits illegal.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:16 pm to Diamondawg
quote:
This opioid thing is going to turn out way larger than tobacco and some companies are going to go under.
I wouldn’f mind if they did. Opiate manufacturers are legalized meth labs (in the opposite direction). They were irresponsible in how they marketed these meds. They were marketed as nonaddictive. Now they’re everywhere.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:17 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:Except the pretty, legs-up-to-here, big doorknobs 26 year old rep with a perky smile and a big budget for expensive dinners, sports and show tickets might stop coming in to see the doctor if he stops handing out prescriptions.
Seems the docs overprescribing the shite are the problem. Not the companies manufacturing the drugs for legitimate patients.
It takes two to tango.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:19 pm to Wednesday
quote:NC is not going to like that one. Get ready.
Wednesday
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