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538: Should private schools be banned?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:16 am
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This week, we spoke with C., a 42-year-old biracial woman who lives in New York City and is a scientific researcher
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“I feel very strongly that private schools — especially in a place with very segregated schools, like where I live in NYC — should be massively reformed. I would uphold a change banning these schools or promoting a requirement that an amount equal to the tuition of these schools must be paid into the public school system.
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Just my personality must be one of being hyper-aware of inequality
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Some parents feel it’s their job to do only what’s best for their child in a vacuum, and then there are other people who feel what’s best for society is what’s best for my child. It was very stark when that started to happen. I didn’t lose friendships over it, but it made me see some people who I was very close to in a different light.
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I don’t have any children of my own.
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[My boyfriend] knows how I feel because his son goes to a $50,000-a-year high school.
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[My public school] had no less than 87 flags of different countries flying in our foyer because it represented our student body. It was minority white, majority black. We had an amazing curriculum. We had a planetarium, and I took oceanography. We offered German, Spanish, Russian, French, Latin.
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What if a kid’s parents were very Catholic and they wanted to send their kid to a particular Catholic school because they wanted him to have a Jesuit education?
C: That’s complicated. I do see subtle nuances in the world even though it may not sound like it! I have a hard time with religious schooling because I don’t like the idea that children, because they’re voiceless and helpless and need the guidance of adults, don’t get to learn things like basic reproductive health. Or experience other cultures. I just don’t like that they’re different curriculums.
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I think that the hardest thing is that these children are in a bubble and the private school children are in a bubble.
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It’s complicated because, listen — I’m biracial. My mother was a tiger mom, she’s Indian and, unfortunately, I was not a good high school student but graduated magna, got on the dean’s list every semester in college.
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I understand what these Asian kids are doing and how much pressure their parents put on them, especially if they’re first generation parents and second generation children.
It’s not that I want to take away from them. I just feel that the class issues and the identity issues with African Americans in the United States are unique, that they have for generations been deprived and depressed and removed from any chance of success. We have to acknowledge that. We just absolutely do.
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And if that needs to be done through affirmative action, I think it needs to be done through affirmative action.
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:20 am to Muthsera
So, C, when all these schools are banned and the students that are displaced must go to another school, what are we going to do with the lack of room?
C: We just use the former private schools as newly founded public schools.
C: We just use the former private schools as newly founded public schools.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:22 am to Muthsera
This whole article is based on one unnamed person's opinion.
Who gives a shite?
Who gives a shite?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:24 am to Muthsera
The BR and Nola public school systems would collapse
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:29 am to Muthsera
quote:yes, absolutely!**
Should private schools be banned?
**except for our kid’s private schools
-Limousine liberals
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:32 am to Muthsera
Why the hell do people want to ban free market options? If people are willing to pay twice for education (taxes and tuitions) let them
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:32 am to fallguy_1978
I paid taxes for the area I'm in, but sent my kids to Private school. Guess what you dumb count? I saved the school district money. Now they have more money to spend on the public school kids.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:33 am to Muthsera
If we have the right to choose whether or not our babies should live then we need to have the right to choose what schools our kids go to when we choose to let them live. If I want to pay tuition so my child gets a decent education then so be it.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:33 am to Muthsera
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I don’t have any children of my own.
Then take your opinion and shove it up your arse, lady
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:35 am to Muthsera
Never happen. One of the sacred tenets of the Social Justice Faith is for Social Justice policies to never affect wealthy progressives.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:35 am to Muthsera
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requirement that an amount equal to the tuition of these schools must be paid into the public school system.
These people are ALREADY paying for public school!
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:36 am to Muthsera
quote:What a dumbass. Public schools are funded by taxes but if I send my kid to private school, I don’t get a tax break and still have to pay tuition. So essentially, I’m still contributing the same amount of money toward funding public schools as I would if my kid went to public school but saving the public school system thousands of dollars per year by not sending my kid to school there.
I would uphold a change banning these schools or promoting a requirement that an amount equal to the tuition of these schools must be paid into the public school system.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:37 am to Muthsera
I can tell you this for a fact, from personal experience and expertise: the Tennessee voucher law as previously written would never have helped one single student pay for private education for two reasons.
1. The voucher would have only been good for the state cost per student, just for the sake of round numbers, let's say $7,000. If Montgomery Bell or Ensworth in Nashville, with their $25,000 tuition, agree to be part of the program, they have to accept the $7,000 for the full tuition bill. So they would have to make up the $18,000 deficit from their financial aid budget, which is probably already tapped out. And they would have to accept any and every student that qualifies if they have space.
Don't expect the elite private schools to participate. Does anyone really think they need the students that badly? No private school is required to participate...it is at the discretion of the individual school.
2. Christian schools absolutely would not be part of the program. Christian school headmasters and school boards loathe the idea of accepting government money because then you also get government regulations. Transgender bathroom laws, teaching about homosexuality, Title IX...all of these now come into play. MTCS in Murfreesboro has one of the best baseball stadiums around and regularly hosts state championship tournament games. Their softball field is a cow pasture, relatively speaking. The day after they accept their first voucher, they'll get hit with a Title IX lawsuit.
Many people don't realize that Christian schools already are eligible to receive very small amounts of federal funding for Title I reading, technology, and other targeted areas. They almost universally turn down the money, because they don't want to invite government regulation that comes with the money.
In Tennessee, most conservatives don't understand that the voucher law was just a big red herring. What good is your voucher if you can't find a school to accept it? But it's red meat for conservatives and liberals to debate.
Tennessee now is looking at educational savings accounts, where the money would be paid to the parents. I don't know how that will be affected by the areas I mentioned, but no one should expect it to be a panacea for parents who want more school choice.
1. The voucher would have only been good for the state cost per student, just for the sake of round numbers, let's say $7,000. If Montgomery Bell or Ensworth in Nashville, with their $25,000 tuition, agree to be part of the program, they have to accept the $7,000 for the full tuition bill. So they would have to make up the $18,000 deficit from their financial aid budget, which is probably already tapped out. And they would have to accept any and every student that qualifies if they have space.
Don't expect the elite private schools to participate. Does anyone really think they need the students that badly? No private school is required to participate...it is at the discretion of the individual school.
2. Christian schools absolutely would not be part of the program. Christian school headmasters and school boards loathe the idea of accepting government money because then you also get government regulations. Transgender bathroom laws, teaching about homosexuality, Title IX...all of these now come into play. MTCS in Murfreesboro has one of the best baseball stadiums around and regularly hosts state championship tournament games. Their softball field is a cow pasture, relatively speaking. The day after they accept their first voucher, they'll get hit with a Title IX lawsuit.
Many people don't realize that Christian schools already are eligible to receive very small amounts of federal funding for Title I reading, technology, and other targeted areas. They almost universally turn down the money, because they don't want to invite government regulation that comes with the money.
In Tennessee, most conservatives don't understand that the voucher law was just a big red herring. What good is your voucher if you can't find a school to accept it? But it's red meat for conservatives and liberals to debate.
Tennessee now is looking at educational savings accounts, where the money would be paid to the parents. I don't know how that will be affected by the areas I mentioned, but no one should expect it to be a panacea for parents who want more school choice.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:38 am to Muthsera
Sorry. This is America. You do well your kids get the benefit. It's not everyone else's fault your kid can't get into private school...it's your fault. You didn't do well enough to get them there.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:38 am to Muthsera
Always the oppressed.......even when not oppressed.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:44 am to Muthsera
Public school officials couldn't handle the sudden influx of parents demanding higher quality.
School board heads would be rolling.
School board heads would be rolling.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:45 am to Muthsera
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I just feel that the class issues and the identity issues with African Americans in the United States are unique, that they have for generations been deprived and depressed and removed from any chance of success. We have to acknowledge that. We just absolutely do.
So there are no African American lawyers, doctors, engineers, congressmen/women, Supreme Court Justices, musicians, actors/actresses...
Yeah, I'm not buying it. In 2019 if a person of color dedicates themselves, they can accomplish anything they are talented enough to do.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:45 am to Muthsera
Wow.
For what it’s worth, school busing resulted in poorer outcomes for both Blacks and Whites.
For what it’s worth, school busing resulted in poorer outcomes for both Blacks and Whites.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:46 am to TDsngumbo
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If we have the right to choose whether or not our babies should live then we need to have the right to choose what schools our kids go to when we choose to let them live.
This is an excellent point and it highlights the total hypocrisy of liberals. They will demand the right to kill their kids yet turn around and try to deny someone else's right to send their kids to the school of their choice.
I'm pretty much fed up with the progressive left
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:47 am to Muthsera
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I don’t have any children of my own.
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