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re: 5 Taliban exchanged are high risk to attack again - wanted by UN for atrocities
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:09 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:09 pm to Alahunter
It's comical watching people try to relate Reagan doing a secret deal for arms to Iran, when considering Iran and Iraq were both enemies.
Meanwhile Odolt trades 5 terrorist commanders for one hostage and tries to make himself look like he's accomplishing major strides in the war on terror. "Hey I rescued 1 American soldier...ignore that trade thing." But our failure of a leader can't speak about what happened in Benghazi where his Ambassador was attacked and killed, with zero effort to save him.
It's great to have the young man home, but the clear message is kidnap more Americans and they'll swap 5 for 1. This President is a putrid example of leadership.
Meanwhile Odolt trades 5 terrorist commanders for one hostage and tries to make himself look like he's accomplishing major strides in the war on terror. "Hey I rescued 1 American soldier...ignore that trade thing." But our failure of a leader can't speak about what happened in Benghazi where his Ambassador was attacked and killed, with zero effort to save him.
It's great to have the young man home, but the clear message is kidnap more Americans and they'll swap 5 for 1. This President is a putrid example of leadership.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:11 pm
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:10 pm to Alahunter
quote:Of course you won't. Because I showed you up for everyone to see. You apply different standards to Obama than you do Republican presidents.
Won't be making that mistake any longer.
quote:If you think your misogynistic attacks on my penis deflects from your hypocrisy, you're wrong.
She can have her hysteria and her derailing will be ignored.
The fact is, you apply different standards for Obama than you do Republican presidents.
The fact is, you're a hypocrite.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:12 pm to TigerLicks
quote:
It's comical watching people try to relate Reagan doing a secret deal for arms to Iran, when considering Iran and Iraq were both enemies.
It's comical that you think Iraq had anything bearing in the arms to hostages deal with Iran.
You guys have absolutely no understanding of history.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:12 pm to TigerLicks
quote:
It's great to have the young man home, but the clear message is kidnap more Americans and they'll swap 5 for 1. This President is a putrid example of leadership.
Something, a few would rather deflect away from.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:12 pm to Navytiger74
I'm Glad we get one back, but not in this manner. I can assure you ,these people will kill far more that one good person. Maybe not directly,but for sure indirectly.. The Taliban doesn't have many great leaders. 2 of these are battle tested terrorists. It's a sad day in America when we come out on the losing side of negotiating with the like s of these animals. The released soldier must have some powerful friends.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:16 pm to Alahunter
I would bet all five have been chipped and will be used to find others that we don't like.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:21 pm to C
quote:
What hostages was Iran holding?
The ignorance of conservatives is truly baffling. You really don't know what the arms to hostages deal was do you? My my my.
Let me educate....
During the Reagan presidency, there was an arms embargo against Iran. This was only a few years after the Iranian hostage debacle. 7 Americans were being held by a terrorist group affiliated with Iran. The plan we would ship weapons to Iran with the help of Israel. Iran would then use its influence to free the hostages. The plan changed and instead, arms were sold to Iran with the money used to fund the Contras.
Reagan's admission to the American people:
quote:
A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages. This runs counter to my own beliefs, to administration policy, and to the original strategy we had in mind. There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses. It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.
It's clear from the Board's report, however, that I let my personal concern for the hostages spill over into the geopolitical strategy of reaching out to Iran. I asked so many questions about the hostages welfare that I didn't ask enough about the specifics of the total Iran plan.
Let me say to the hostage families: We have not given up. We never will. And I promise you we'll use every legitimate means to free your loved ones from captivity. But I must also caution that those Americans who freely remain in such dangerous areas must know that they're responsible for their own safety.
LINK
Not only did the Reagan admin break the law by selling arms to Iran, they broke the law in aiding the Contras. And of course there's the 2500 missiles sold to Iran, our enemy.
So the next time you guys say the Obama administration is the worst of all time.... remember this. And show me where Obama has done anything remotely as bad.
Class dismissed.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:23 pm to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:28 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
The ignorance of conservatives is truly baffling
So Iran wasn't holding the hostages. And the funny thing is you're comparing a covert missions to secure hostages for one done out in the open that basically fully shows that yes we are willing to negotiate for the return of our people that you kidnap including releasing our highest value prisoners. Do you think that is smart?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:31 pm to Edearl Watson
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So this is the father of the released soldier?
no way that is real. No way.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:32 pm to themunch
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Was he a hostage or POW or willing participant?
He was certainly a hostage. POW is a legal term that we'll have to dig into. It's better that we have him than leave our last known captive in that country.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:46 pm to Vegas Bengal
Time for a csb. I lived next door to Albert hakim who was the arms dealer in the Iran contra mess. He had scary dogs.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:06 pm to Edearl Watson
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I'm just a tad bit confused on this one.
umm no way... just no way.......
ETA: I'm just going to leave this topic for 24hrs until a few more facts come out. This seems absurd.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:28 pm to Edearl Watson
The email Bergdahl sent his parents, a few days before he went missing.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:43 pm to Alahunter
Forget what I said about glad to see Bergdahl coming home. I'll wait till the full story comes out about his desertion.
And the dad:
And the dad:
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:45 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
It's comical that you think Iraq had anything bearing in the arms to hostages deal with Iran. You guys have absolutely no understanding of history.
You do realize there was this thing called the Iran/Iraq War where neither were an ally. Reagan was giving them ammo to kill each other. Thanks for playing the geopolitical game and failing.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:47 pm to TigerLicks
This idiot better get court martialed.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:50 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
So the next time you guys say the Obama administration is the worst of all time.... remember this. And show me where Obama has done anything remotely as bad.
obamacare
VA
IRS
Fast and Furious
Benghazi
frick you.
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