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GeauxFightingTigers1
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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Demands real data.

Makes up fake data.


The stupidity of antivaxxers is stunning. This kind of dumb is literally why we now live in a country where people think that men can have babies.


I would say its stupid for people to push the whole population to a drug which hasn't been vetted, in which > 99%+ have no real fear.


Evolved Simian
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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Some suggestions for people that don't want to be infected:




An incredibly effective vaccine.


GeauxFightingTigers1
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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An incredibly effective vaccine.


We don't know that be even if true, there is no reason for the very vast population to be concern. Individual decision.


BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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"All of the deaths were people over age 50, with 30 of them over age 80," the outlet reported. "Thirteen of the deaths were people between the ages of 65 and 79, and six were between the ages of 50 and 64, Leusner said," according to NJ Advance Media


If they're so dismissive of elderly people, why are the trying to shame us into getting vaxxed to "protect" elderly people?


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Evolved Simian
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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> 99%+ have no real fear.



Here's a hint. If you have to fabricate numbers to justify your argument, it's not a legitimate argument.

Jesus, people, just tell the truth and say you're afraid of needles or whatever instead of making shite up. I honestly don't care that you are an antivaxxer. I'm more bothered by the stupidity that gets spewed by antivaxxers to justify themselves.



GeauxFightingTigers1
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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Here's a hint. If you have to fabricate numbers to justify your argument, it's not a legitimate argument.


What is the numbers, hint, its actually much higher than what I gave. Thats even if you take the crazy numbers where flu deaths went to zero, heart disease went to zero, etc.
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Powerman
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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We don't know that be even if true

We have a lot of data that points to that being true

You just don't want to acknowledge it because this idiocy is a religion for you


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the808bass
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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Here's a hint. If you have to fabricate numbers to justify your argument, it's not a legitimate argument.


Who’s making a number up?
The fatality rate for Covid is less than 1%. You can disagree with his decision. You can’t say he’s making up numbers.


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A Menace to Sobriety
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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Blood is on Trump’s hands


Diaper Joe was the one who said he gave out the vaccines out early to people. So no, I'm blaming it on Diaper Joe.


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Tigahs24Seven
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
Average age of death in the US for both males and females is less than 80...None of this is surprising except for the fact that they DO NOT SAY that they dies WITH Covid not OF Covid as has been happening with day one. That is why the US leads the world in deaths. We classify anyone with Covid as a Covid death, even "self inflicted" injuries such as suicides and over doses. This is all insane.


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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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An incredibly effective vaccine.


I think it has been clearly shown that the vaccine does not prevent infection. I'm not even sure the government is claiming otherwise.


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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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What is the timeframe? Does it stretch back to the beginning of the year when most people weren’t vaccinated?
According to worldometer, 3,000 deaths would put the starting point at roughly mid-February. But I also looked starting at beginning of April and the beginning of May when vaccinations rates had risen significantly since they have been widely available.

And there have been 3,310 deaths since the beginning of April and 2,001 since the beginning of May. That means, assuming all 49 deaths occurred in those timeframes, about 2.4% of the deaths since April were among those vaccinated and about 4.9% of the deaths since May were among those vaccinated.

Those figures in and of themselves highlight the effectiveness of the vaccines for preventing deaths by COVID; however, considering the prioritization (and the actual rates themselves) of the most vulnerable (age, underlying conditions, and certain at-risk occupations), the effectiveness is even better than the numbers suggest, since those who are vaccinated are more likely to be at-risk of death if there is a breakthrough case and those who aren't vaccinated are less likely (younger, healthier, and/or in an occupation that is less likely for spread).

It's clear the vaccines are highly effective, especially when it comes to the most important outcomes (severity of the illness and deaths). So if people don't want to get it, that's their prerogative (unless you work in a nursing home or something with those at-risk), but the effectiveness is clear.


buckeye_vol
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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I think it has been clearly shown that the vaccine does not prevent infection. I'm not even sure the government is claiming otherwise.
It clearly shows that is is effective in preventing infection and transmission, but it's most effective when it comes to the most important outcomes like the severity of the illness and deaths. In other words, has the outcome itself becomes more important (e.g., infection to symptomatic illness to severe illness to death), it gets progressively more effective, but it is effective across all outcomes.


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Powerman
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And there have been 3,310 deaths since the beginning of April and 2,001 since the beginning of May. That means, assuming all 49 deaths occurred in those timeframes, about 2.4% of the deaths since April were among those vaccinated and about 4.9% of the deaths since May were among those vaccinated.

Those figures in and of themselves highlight the effectiveness of the vaccines for preventing deaths by COVID; however, considering the prioritization (and the actual rates themselves) of the most vulnerable (age, underlying conditions, and certain at-risk occupations), the effectiveness is even better than the numbers suggest, since those who are vaccinated are more likely to be at-risk of death if there is a breakthrough case and those who aren't vaccinated are less likely (younger, healthier, and/or in an occupation that is less likely for spread).

It's clear the vaccines are highly effective, especially when it comes to the most important outcomes (severity of the illness and deaths). So if people don't want to get it, that's their prerogative (unless you work in a nursing home or something with those at-risk), but the effectiveness is clear.

Yeah...that's pretty conclusive data

We would accept that as proof of efficacy in any scenario other than one that is politicized by morons.


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BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
cdc breakthrough case info

From the CDC website:
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As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.


The CDC, leading the way in integrity and definitely not tipping the scales!


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Ace Midnight
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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it takes a special kind of stupid to not admit the vaccine is wildly effective.




Frankly, being under 70 years old appears "wildly effective" as is being in reasonably good health.

Certainly getting COVID and having a mild case appears "wildly effective", too.

Now tell me how ridiculously safe the vaccine is. And how there is nothing to worry about in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, etc.


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RobbBobb
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
The number is Mass. is 80


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GrizzlyAlloy
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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Blood is on Trump’s hands


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by NIH

Checks out


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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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Everyone takes the jab, than we find out whether it works.


My god. Can you be any dumber?


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GusAU
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re: 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey have died from COVID-19
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This kind of dumb is literally why we now live in a country where people think that men can have babies.

Honest question...

What do you think is the percentage of people that have chosen to not get vaccinated that also believe men can have babies?


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