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re: 3rd Soldier of the BlackHawk identified
Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:47 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:47 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Out of curiosity and purely hypothetical, if this was intentional by big players could they rig the investigation ?
I don't see that happening from Trump/Pete
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Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:05 am to Mandtgr47
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Sorry, not sorry, that you have a different opinion.
I have no opinion about the incident other than at least one error was made by at least one person and that error resulted in the deaths of nearly 70 people.
Why? Because that's all the factual information I have at this time.
Neither you nor anyone else should have an opinion either...unless you are an NTSB investigator or someone who's been briefed on the incident. Why not? Because you don't know shite either.
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the woman pilot that acknowledged ATC seconds before the crash
Do you know who acknowledged ATC? I thought the radio traffic indicated it was the male pilot.
Do you know who had the controls at the time of the incident? No. And neither do I.
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She may be white, but she was a DEI hire
We do know, based on her photos, that she is indeed white. We do not know that she was a DEI hire. That's supposition.
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Not a tranny though, but yes lesbian.
It's been confirmed that she's a lesbian? I haven't seen that.
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She was the perfect person for them to try and fast track
This supposes that she was the perfect person for them to fast track and that she was fast tracked, neither of which are known facts.
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It happens to break my heart that she killed 60+ innocent people, many of them kids
We know 60+ people were killed, many of them being kids. We do not know with 100% certainty that SHE killed anyone. She was in the cockpit, so she played some role. What that specific role was, we don't know.
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Thankfully, we are going back to having the best where they need to be, with no reference to race or gender. DEI should have never been instituted, and particular as it relates to Public Safety.
I agree with you on this. I've seen it firsthand, been on the bad side of it, and rooted it out when I was in positions of authority. I sacrificed a lot personally because of my stance on it, actually. My position can't be described as anything less than "hardcore."
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500 hours is nothing, that I know.
You say this as a former ATC. Pilots I've talked to - guys who I used to work with, know and trust - have said that's not an abnormally low number for someone at that stage in their career. They're 160th or former 160th guys, so I assume they know their business, and they disagree with you. My guess is it seems low because you're used to seeing AF FW and/or commercial FW numbers.
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 12:37 am
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:14 am to Mandtgr47
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Yeah, as a former Air Traffic Controller, I can tell you the weather played no role, and apparently neither did any mechanical issues. It was VFR and she was cleared and radioed back visual contact on the Jet. It was as easy as you can ever get, without being all alone. It reeks of incompetency, and her hours in flight experience are way low for the role she is in. So yeah, I can say I haven't witnessed her flying, nor seen her flying history, but I can surely draw conclusions on the fact that she killed 60+ people when it never should have happened on a clear night.
We are gradually getting a clearer picture. It’s looking like the blame of the pilot trainer and the student pilot of the helicopter. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how good you are at being a pilot it only takes one big mistake to kill 60+ people. None of these explanations will bring these innocent victims back or make their families feel better. They screwed up very badly.
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 12:17 am
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:20 am to Longhorn Actual
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Do you know who acknowledged ATC? I thought the radio traffic indicated it was the male pilot.
It was obviously a man.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:28 am to theballguy
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Trump's revenge is not a good look.
Trump has every right to be revengeful. The Democrats and a handful of RINO's weaponized the Federal Government to go after him, his family, and associates. The Democrats then used the mainstream media to lie to the American people. If you ask me. Trump is being restrained in his actions against the enemies of the American people.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:28 am to SirWinston
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blackhawk altitude was showing at 200 feet seconds before the crash
NTSB said the plane was at 325 ft.plus or minus 25 ft. He also said the Helo showed 200 ft but they are investigating as to why the disparity.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:35 am to Dex Morgan
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No doubt she made an impact on many lives.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 1:39 am to Christopher Columbo
Posted on 2/2/25 at 1:56 am to UcobiaA
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Kara Hultgreen
Wow, I didn't know about that.
It still seems like the trainer pilot should get more of the blame than he seems to be getting on this board.
Like maybe it's 55% the girls fault and 45% his. She seems to be getting 90% of the blame on here
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 1:58 am
Posted on 2/2/25 at 2:03 am to Bobby OG Johnson
There is plenty of blame to go around. The other pilot had more experience. He was at fault for not making sure the chopper was following the correct flight plan.
A former chopper pilot said the commander of the unit (who I believe is a female) who approved the training also has some guilt. Why wasn't the flight scheduled for later when there would have been few flights coming to the airport. He also said if there should had been a 4th person on the other side of the chopper in such a congested area. He would more than likely have spotted the plane. He demonstrated how it would be difficult for both to visualize each other with the plane going from high to low and the chopper going from low to high.
There should have been one flight controller monitoring only the choppers. A controller should have noticed on radar they were closing on each other and should have given a clear and specific instruction for the chopper to descend and turn immediately.
A former chopper pilot said the commander of the unit (who I believe is a female) who approved the training also has some guilt. Why wasn't the flight scheduled for later when there would have been few flights coming to the airport. He also said if there should had been a 4th person on the other side of the chopper in such a congested area. He would more than likely have spotted the plane. He demonstrated how it would be difficult for both to visualize each other with the plane going from high to low and the chopper going from low to high.
There should have been one flight controller monitoring only the choppers. A controller should have noticed on radar they were closing on each other and should have given a clear and specific instruction for the chopper to descend and turn immediately.
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 2:05 am
Posted on 2/2/25 at 2:06 am to Goforit
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former chopper pilot said the commander of the unit (who I believe is a female) who approved the training also has some guilt. Why wasn't the flight scheduled for later when there would have been few flights coming to the airport. He also said if there should had been a 4th person on the other side of the chopper in such a congested area. He would more than likely have spotted the plane
Agree 100%
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 2:32 am
Posted on 2/2/25 at 4:08 am to SirWinston
Hegseth will need to look at the entire chain of command here. Also, it's absurd that a pilot is fricking around at the WH. Anyone from the military knows there are too many positions like this, the aide de camp bullshite, white house rotations, bunch of dog & pony nonsense. The military needs to train to fight wars. If the layers get peeled back on this you are going to find politicization in this entire unit, particularly in the command team, and their commanders, on up.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 4:44 am to theballguy
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Do you know that she was?
Yes. She was a woman in a combat position. Combat is a man’s duty.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 6:31 am to SirWinston
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She was done dirty by the decision to withhold her name.
Maybe not don't know how much soicial media was deleted from our view.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 6:49 am to Armymann50
I am of the mountain clan. Let's see what shakes out today.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 6:58 am to mmcgrath
quote:well she proved she was pretty terrible ramming a fricking passenger jet
clearly wasn't a bad pilot
Posted on 2/2/25 at 7:19 am to POTUS2024
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Hegseth will need to look at the entire chain of command here. Also, it's absurd that a pilot is fricking around at the WH. Anyone from the military knows there are too many positions like this, the aide de camp bullshite, white house rotations, bunch of dog & pony nonsense. The military needs to train to fight wars. If the layers get peeled back on this you are going to find politicization in this entire unit, particularly in the command team, and their commanders, on up.
I'm good with this:
The only parts that raised eyebrows across the world were the simple facts:
A.) Withholding "ONLY" the pilot's identity until all the social media was scrubbed.
B.) Excessive praise by the media for competency and diligence—Overhype of accomplishments for common, noncombat ribbons and medals.
C.) DEI-bots sent out all over the internet to spam and denigrate any and all questioning of LBGTQ policies.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 7:22 am to BarberitosDawg
Posted on 2/2/25 at 7:25 am to DesScorp
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Yes. She was a woman in a combat position. Combat is a man’s duty.
I'm always amused to read this, coming from a bunch of fat slobs who will never see combat.
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