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re: 2014 May = warmest on record.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:11 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:11 am to Ace Midnight
I'm not a scientist, so I'm not going to pretend like I can do the math or even know what the optimal level of CO2 is. Let's get some elite scientists together, calculate the amount of CO2 that should be in the atmosphere for comfortable human survival, and put out a long term plan to get to that point. And by long term, I mean a century or two. Yeah, we'll have certain milestones in between and recalculations if necessary, but we need to get our shite together for the sake of our grandchildren.
Also we need to put forth not only viable alternatives to oil and coal, but economically preferable alternatives to oil and gas. Yes that will take decades to be sure, but hopefully we can greatly increase the efficacy of solar panels and build more nuclear power plants to make this a reality.
Also we need to put forth not only viable alternatives to oil and coal, but economically preferable alternatives to oil and gas. Yes that will take decades to be sure, but hopefully we can greatly increase the efficacy of solar panels and build more nuclear power plants to make this a reality.
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:11 am to JOJO Hammer
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No I have not. I pointed out that companies that go above the limit will either buy credits from a seller or get taxed.
They'll buy credits from another. That will be cheaper than paying a fine for going over.
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I did not mention anything about the seller earning income
Yes. I know, you neglected that factor. That's kinda my point.
quote:And all else being equal the tax paid on the earnings is the same as the expense deduction obtained by the company buying the credits. Net taxation cancels out.
(which is taxed).
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Proposed does not mean what goes into effect.
Actually, if the proposed bill becomes the law - it does mean that.
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It starts below current emissions, and the following year it is lowered, then lowered, then lowered till companies can't keep up and are taxed.
You seem to doubt the ability of the free market to adjust.
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Tax everything that's the governments solution
Cap&trade isn't actually a tax.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:11 am to SpidermanTUba
I find the GW strategy that your side is going with to be very interesting.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:15 am to OMLandshark
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I'm not a scientist, so I'm not going to pretend like I can do the math or even know what the optimal level of CO2 is. Let's get some elite scientists together, calculate the amount of CO2 that should be in the atmosphere for comfortable human survival, and put out a long term plan to get to that point. And by long term, I mean a century or two. Yeah, we'll have certain milestones in between and recalculations if necessary, but we need to get our shite together for the sake of our grandchildren.
If you'd like to know the proper, natural, level of Co2 in the air, ultimately, we'll have to stop burning fossil fuels to find out. The detected rise in Co2 levels during the industrial age is entirely attributable to fossil fuel combustion, as the consumed fuels more than account for the difference.
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Also we need to put forth not only viable alternatives to oil and coal, but economically preferable alternatives to oil and gas.
That's kinda the point of cap & trade. "We" don't have to put forth anything - the market figures it out.
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Yes that will take decades to be sure, but hopefully we can greatly increase the efficacy of solar panels and build more nuclear power plants to make this a reality.
Thermonuclear power would be awesome.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:16 am to SpidermanTUba
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If you'd like to know the proper, natural, level of Co2 in the air, ultimately, we'll have to stop burning fossil fuels to find out. The detected rise in Co2 levels during the industrial age is entirely attributable to fossil fuel combustion, as the consumed fuels more than account for the difference.
This is utter horseshite and you know it.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:17 am to mtntiger
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So, it's happened before and we're still here. Good to know.
It says "at least" 800,000 years. That's as far back as the Vostok ice core goes. And its going to keep rising every year.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:18 am to catholictigerfan
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Cosmos is an unbias view on global warming
Did I say it was free of bias? Funny I don't think I said that.
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edit: cosmos is a good show but when it comes to reporting good history especially on things religion has been WAY off. There is a huge liberal slant to it I just don't trust it.
Please, elaborate.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:19 am to SpidermanTUba
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If you'd like to know the proper, natural, level of Co2 in the air, ultimately, we'll have to stop burning fossil fuels to find out.
So how long ago did the industrial age begin? A couple of hundred years? What does the ice core sampling say the CO2 levels were then? I mean it's not like looking back 800,000 years.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:20 am to SpidermanTUba
We're setting records every year. But hey, nothing to see here say the republicans.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:23 am to TT9
So to the people that believe in global warming, what are you doing about it besides posting on a college football website?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:23 am to TT9
So to the people that believe in global warming, what are you doing about it besides posting on a college football website?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:26 am to SpidermanTUba
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Please, elaborate.
simple without getting into deep details
the first couple episodes of cosmos it potrayed Christinatiy as a force that is very anti science and works to stop all science. It focused on one story and made Christians (mostly Catholics) look so and that we are clearly against science.
a Catholic Monk was portrayed as a hero for the scientific community and they say that he was kicked out because of his science. Even though if you actually read the history he was kicked out because of his heretical theological views not his scientific views.
I have only seen a few episodes but I have yet to see them give credit to the Catholic Church for it's contribution to science.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:27 am to TT9
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:27 am to OMLandshark
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Let's get some elite scientists together, calculate the amount of CO2 that should be in the atmosphere for comfortable human survival, and put out a long term plan to get to that point.
What if they can't/won't tell us?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:27 am to udtiger
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This is utter horseshite and you know it.
I'm afraid not.
We actually know that the recent Co2 increase is entirely man-made from multiple lines of evidence.
One line is the straight up math of tonnes of fossil fuel burned X tonnes of Co2 released by burning per tonne of fuel / tonnes of gas in the atmosphere. The result more than accounts for the rise. Where does the excess go? The ocean.
Another, IMO far more convincing line, is isotope ratios. The carbon in fossil fuels has a lower 13C/12C isotope ratio than carbon in the air. We have the historical ratios of 13C/12C from ice core samples - and at no point in that entire history has the 13C/12C ratio been as low as today.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:29 am to TT9
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We're setting records every year.
How long do those records go back? If the earth started out at 0 and after the first year it was 1. By gosh we broke a record. Now if the earth started out as a ball of molten lava and has cooled over the years, we would be breaking records for cooling now wouldn't we? Man sure is an arrogant creature thinking how intelligent it is.
How long ago was the first temperature recorded?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:29 am to udtiger
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and yet...no warming in 17+ years...
We've actually gone far longer than that in the past - and the warming trend resumed.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:30 am to SpidermanTUba
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They'll buy credits from another. That will be cheaper than paying a fine for going over
assuming there are credits to buy. but even buying credits is a cost that will be past down.
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Actually, if the proposed bill becomes the law - it does mean that.
Obamacare, enough said
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You seem to doubt the ability of the free market to adjust.
Incentives will get companies to adjust while benifitting everyone.
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Cap&trade isn't actually a tax.
deep down, yes it is.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:31 am to yumahog
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So to the people that believe in global warming, what are you doing about it besides posting on a college football website?
I will believe it's a crisis when the people telling me it's a crisis actually act like it's a crisis.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:31 am to SpidermanTUba
I pretty much know how this thread went, but how was the OP different from anti-global warming people talking about how cold their winters are?
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