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re: 2014 May = warmest on record.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:32 am to Lg
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:32 am to Lg
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How long do those records go back? If the earth started out at 0 and after the first year it was 1. By gosh we broke a record. Now if the earth started out as a ball of molten lava and has cooled over the years, we would be breaking records for cooling now wouldn't we? Man sure is an arrogant creature thinking how intelligent it is. How long ago was the first temperature recorded?
I bet that post sounded a lot smarter in your head.
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:34 am to SpidermanTUba
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I'm afraid not. We actually know that the recent Co2 increase is entirely man-made from multiple lines of evidence.
Industrial Revolution begins in, what, 1750s?
How many major volcanic eruptions have occurred since then (releasing a shitton of CO2)?
Here's just the 1800s
Here's the 1900s
How many forest fires caused by lightning strikes?
How many more humans, livestock, domesticated animals exhaling CO2 versus 1750 and before?
For a scientist, you sure are fricking stupid.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:35 am to Lg
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So how long ago did the industrial age begin? A couple of hundred years? What does the ice core sampling say the CO2 levels were then? I mean it's not like looking back 800,000 years.
~ 280 ppm
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/icecore/antarctica/law/law_co2.txt
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:36 am to yumahog
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So to the people that believe in global warming, what are you doing about it besides posting on a college football website?
There's nothing I can do if the rest of you won't cooperate. I'm sure as heck not going to bear your burden AND mine.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:38 am to SpidermanTUba
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~ 280 ppm
Is that level too low, too high, or about right?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:38 am to SpidermanTUba
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There's nothing I can do if the rest of you won't cooperate. I'm sure as heck not going to bear your burden AND mine.
The do as I say not as I do approach. Nice, way to take the lead.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:39 am to SpidermanTUba
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There's nothing I can do if the rest of you won't cooperate. I'm sure as heck not going to bear your burden AND mine.
And even if I were to concede your point to be true on the AGW/CO2 hypothesis (I'm not) for the sake of the argument - if I then took this position with regards to Chinese and Indian emissions, I would be just as justified as you are here.
Bravo, sir. You've just argued yourself out of the thread.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:40 am to JOJO Hammer
Then quit trying to make us do something if YOU are not gonna do anything about it.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:41 am to SpidermanTUba
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There's nothing I can do if the rest of you won't cooperate. I'm sure as heck not going to bear your burden AND mine.
But I thought it was a crisis that required immediate action.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:41 am to yumahog
I'm not gonna do anything about it because I don't believe it.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:42 am to Ace Midnight
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quote:There's nothing I can do if the rest of you won't cooperate. I'm sure as heck not going to bear your burden AND mine. And even if I were to concede your point to be true on the AGW/CO2 hypothesis (I'm not) for the sake of the argument - if I then took this position with regards to Chinese and Indian emissions, I would be just as justified as you are here. Bravo, sir. You've just argued yourself out of the thread.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:44 am to OMLandshark
quote:Interesting. What do you base your belief in AGW upon?
I'm not a scientist, so I'm not going to pretend like I can do the math
quote:It will take a fundamental change in our undertsanding of physics. Something that can provide more energy density in an easier to release than the C=H bond. Not likly any time soon (if ever).
Also we need to put forth not only viable alternatives to oil and coal, but economically preferable alternatives to oil and gas.Yes that will take decades to be sure
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:45 am to SpidermanTUba
SpidermanTuba=Stupidest on board
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:45 am to catholictigerfan
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simple without getting into deep details
the first couple episodes of cosmos it potrayed Christinatiy as a force that is very anti science and works to stop all science. It focused on one story and made Christians (mostly Catholics) look so and that we are clearly against science.
In recent times the Catholic Church is actually far more progressive than most other religions - especially most other Christian religions - when it comes to science. I'll give you that and won't dispute it.
That being said, throughout most of the middle ages the Catholic Church did far more to slow the advance of science than aid it. That's just historical fact. They banned the writings of Copernicus and Galileo and put Galileo on trial for it.
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a Catholic Monk was portrayed as a hero for the scientific community and they say that he was kicked out because of his science. Even though if you actually read the history he was kicked out because of his heretical theological views not his scientific views.
That's funny, Galileo was also found guilty of heretical theological views. They found his views on the Sun being the center of the solar system were "...foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture..." LINK
It had nothing to do with his science!
Come on man, really?
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:46 am to SpidermanTUba
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There's nothing I can do if the rest of you won't cooperate. I'm sure as heck not going to bear your burden AND mine.
Exactly and if you don't do it and I don't do it and if the Chinese, Indians and other emerging nations don't do it there is no use in doing it.
So let's adapt, let's move on and concentrate on more important things and I don't mean the Redskins brand.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:47 am to SpidermanTUba
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There's nothing I can do if the rest of you won't cooperate. I'm sure as heck not going to bear your burden AND mine.
It's always up to "someone else" isn't it? We expect taxpayers to this all the time. quote:
Bravo, sir. You've just argued yourself out of the thread.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:49 am to doubleb
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Exactly and if you don't do it and I don't do it and if the Chinese, Indians and other emerging nations don't do it there is no use in doing it.
So let's adapt, let's move on and concentrate on more important things and I don't mean the Redskins brand.
LINK
Emerging nations aren't presently big contributors to the problem. If the largest contributors start now, by the time those emerging nations have power demands rivalling our own, there will be alternative technologies.
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So let's adapt, let's move on and concentrate on more important things and I don't mean the Redskins brand.
I fail to see what could be more important than the planet we live on.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:50 am to catholictigerfan
doomsday tatics by this show the same that an inconvenient truth
let me qoute
"what will our planet be like in our children's future" (which means probably about 30 or 40 years at a max. Meaning around 2050 the way he is phrasing this could be like this.
"based on scientific projections" (let's try to make it sound reasonable)
"If we keep on doing business as usual, our kids are in for a rought ride" (again 40 to 50 years at a max)
"killer heat waves, killer droughts" (ok that is bad keep in mind that I don't think we have seen as bad a drought since the dust bowl of the 30s and 50s, but over the next 40 years we will see the worst ever) LINK
"raising sea levels, mass extinction of species" (ok this sounds bad but again where is the proof and how bad is it really going to be.)
"we inherited a bountiful world, made possible by a relatively stable climate" (compared to what it is now we are more relatively stable than we have been in the past)
"and now our carelessness and greed have put all of that at risk" (ok I agree we have become consumeristic but you are just play doomsday tatics and making things look horrible to try and get people to change.)
Than he goes to shut down the it's showing in New Orleans complainers.
Keep in mind after about 20 years of tempter average rise over the last 14 years the temp has stayed about the same and even gone down a little. He has failed to mention this yet.
let me qoute
"what will our planet be like in our children's future" (which means probably about 30 or 40 years at a max. Meaning around 2050 the way he is phrasing this could be like this.
"based on scientific projections" (let's try to make it sound reasonable)
"If we keep on doing business as usual, our kids are in for a rought ride" (again 40 to 50 years at a max)
"killer heat waves, killer droughts" (ok that is bad keep in mind that I don't think we have seen as bad a drought since the dust bowl of the 30s and 50s, but over the next 40 years we will see the worst ever) LINK
"raising sea levels, mass extinction of species" (ok this sounds bad but again where is the proof and how bad is it really going to be.)
"we inherited a bountiful world, made possible by a relatively stable climate" (compared to what it is now we are more relatively stable than we have been in the past)
"and now our carelessness and greed have put all of that at risk" (ok I agree we have become consumeristic but you are just play doomsday tatics and making things look horrible to try and get people to change.)
Than he goes to shut down the it's showing in New Orleans complainers.
Keep in mind after about 20 years of tempter average rise over the last 14 years the temp has stayed about the same and even gone down a little. He has failed to mention this yet.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:50 am to Taxing Authority
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Interesting. What do you base your belief in AGW upon?
The fact that 97.1% of them believe it, global temperature trends, the fact that humans have been adding excess CO2 to the atmosphere, and the melting ice caps, which (in the North at least) leads to less sunlight being reflected back out into space.
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It will take a fundamental change in our undertsanding of physics. Something that can provide more energy density in an easier to release than the C=H bond. Not likly any time soon (if ever).
We're making better and better solar panels all the time. If we could harness a mere 1%, that would fix a ridiculous amount of problems. Plus we've got wind and nuclear energy as well, which I'm a big proponent of.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:50 am to Taxing Authority
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It's always up to "someone else" isn't it? We expect taxpayers to this all the time.
Why would you expect me to pay for both my and your share of the cost of global warming? I'm not turning off the AC so you can burn more gas, frick that.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:51 am
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