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re: 2000 Mules Fact Checking

Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46617 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:23 pm to
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You are believing this because the AJC said it to you. They didn’t show that in the article. Ever.


see?

ETA: and again, for the millionth time, they did show a graphical expression of how the cell pings fell on a map. You bitched because they didnt show it more, and now you are pretending like they didnt show it at all.

How tf do you think cell data is delivered in its native form anyway?
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11264 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:24 pm to
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FAKE DAWG DUMBER THAN DAWG shite


Lol. Ok. I am stupid.

Show me where in the movie a person goes to multiple drop boxes and NGOs.

I can draw a map with dots even as stupid as you think I am. I can tell you it happens. Proving it is different. My dots would actually align with real drop boxes which are a known thing.

I know it happens and plenty of settled cases to prove it. They didn’t prove what they said they did. I wish they would.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75725 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:26 pm to
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You’d think at this point at least one person would have felt a bit guilty come forward and ratted.


There's the distinct possibility that these folks are now or will be cooperating witnesses, and are highly unlikely to take to Twitter to brag, in either direction.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46617 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:26 pm to
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I can draw a map with dots even as stupid as you think I am.


No No NO. You said they didnt show this... ever.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11264 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:30 pm to
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If you're swayed by that sewage fountain, then that just confirms the other posters' estimation of you: You don't want evidence. You are locked in on contrarian hand-wringing.


I didn’t say that douche convinced me. It was just showing how easily their format was dismissed because of how poorly it was presented.

Look. I don’t drink the kool aid. I know they cheated. I hope they release the data like they said they would.

If they do, I’ll be up all night making their case for them if it all matches up.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126862 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:36 pm to
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RealDawg
Have you considered that they may be deliberately withholding additional information to lure the Left into a trap?

Seriously, relax. We got your point. The documentary did not reveal everything. Focus on what it did reveal. Which is a lot.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46617 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:38 pm to
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I didn’t say that douche convinced me. It was just showing how easily their format was dismissed because of how poorly it was presented.


But they didn't. They claimed to have found one of the mules, took his excuse at face value, and "found no evidence of fraud". That's literally nothing.
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
11694 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:40 pm to
Democrat Michigan Election Chief Says ‘2000 Mules’ Ballot Trafficking Allegations ‘Explained by Standard Election Practices’ Officials in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Texas did not respond to requests for comment on the documentary


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“The film clips involving Michigan that have been shared with the department are explained by standard election practices well within state and federal law,” said A.K. Crisp, press secretary for Democrat Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, in an email to The Epoch Times.


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Over the period of May 9 through May 11, The Epoch Times asked the governors, attorneys general, and the highest-ranking election administrators in each of the five battleground states mentioned above what they thought about the evidence of large-scale election fraud presented in the D’Souza film.


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Only Benson and Michigan’s Attorney General Dana Nessel, a Democrat, and the office of Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, responded by press time.


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Nessel’s office offered this terse comment, “Allegations of fraud should be reported to law enforcement for proper review.”


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Brnovich did not comment directly on the movie or the activities of the 202 mules who operated in Maricopa County during the 2020 election season, as revealed in the movie. But spokesperson Katie Conner told The Epoch Times that there were ongoing investigations underway into aspects of that election.

“While we are limited in what we can say, we can confirm that several individuals have been indicted on charges related to ballot harvesting and voter fraud,” said Conner.

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Posted by haroldoftherocks
3rd stone from the sun
Member since Oct 2017
630 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:41 pm to
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n moron

the courts refused to hear over 50 cases loaded with evidence

the evidence is there. they are cowards and are scared shitless the left will KILL THEM if they see/discover this and over turn things. They know once they take on the evidence there is no going back.


lulz. 50+ dumbshit cases were refused as they have no merit. it's not a big conspiracy of the american legal system spread across multiple judges, courts and states - it's because you believe in really stupid stuff
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11264 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:43 pm to
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This is the one path that was shown and said to be a life path of a mule. The only one they show with no video to match.

The drop box locations should be exact. They don’t match the actual drop boxes in those counties. They said the dots are drop boxes and the other marks NGOs.

If this one is their one example why not make it factual? Trash me if you want..I’ll survive. Blindly believing will never be what I do. Both sides lie. It was their job to use facts to prove what they said they had. They did provide some people dropped too many ballots. They didn’t show facts in the other. I’ll wait for that to come.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:43 pm to
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I'd love to hear you wax poetic about these civic-minded individuals, just doing all they can to help their poor, immobile family members participate in our most sacred privilege. You know, when they weren't burning down buildings, throwing rocks through windows, and generally rioting in the name of an overdosed crackhead.


I guess I missed the part in the movie where they identify each of these “NGOs”, give the address, and show how they are tied to BLM, Antifa, etc.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11264 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Have you considered that they may be deliberately withholding additional information to lure the Left into a trap?


Haha. 3D chess. We shall see.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126862 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

Haha. 3D chess.
Common sense. Why reveal your entire case?

Don't be this dumb. Focus on what you have seen. It is pretty compelling.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75725 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

If they do, I’ll be up all night making their case for them if it all matches up.

I hear that a lot...
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16625 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:55 pm to
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The premise of believe us we have it isn’t enough.


It’s enough to go through with impeachment of a president.
Posted by LafTiger
Member since Dec 2008
1621 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:55 pm to
Look, I don't get into these arguments, but let's just be clear.

quote:

lulz. 50+ dumbshit cases were refused as they have no merit. it's not a big conspiracy of the american legal system - it's because you believe in really stupid stuff


Incorrect: "Lack of Standing" not "Lack of Merit" on many cases...of course some will have lack of merit. In almost all litigation there's portions which have lack of merit....it's the "Lack of Standing" cases that are a problem. To translate, "we won't look at the facts, becuase you are not the entity who can bring this case to the court."

to confuse the two is to say someone is found "innocent" as opposed to "not guilty." They are also 2 different things.
Posted by haroldoftherocks
3rd stone from the sun
Member since Oct 2017
630 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:58 pm to
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Incorrect: "Lack of Standing" not "Lack of Merit" on many cases...of course some will have lack of merit. In almost all litigation there's portions which have lack of merit....it's the "Lack of Standing" cases that are a problem. To translate, "we won't look at the facts, becuase you are not the entity who can bring this case to the court."

to confuse the two is to say someone is found "innocent" as opposed to "not guilty." They are also 2 different things.


fair enough and agreed. i may have been playing to fast and loose with technical terms



that said, having every (as far as i know) court challenge tossed doesn't give much credit to one's case

"To translate, "we won't look at the facts, becuase you are not the entity who can bring this case to the court."

they aren't facts until they're proven in court
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6259 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:00 pm to
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In Pennsylvania for example they had no video.


How exactly would they have video after the fact? Do you think someone had a camera on the drop box that will willingly give it up? You think the US government right now will give that security footage up?

This is the first evidence - the cell phone tracking. It raises suspicion. I doubt that D'Souza as a private citizen can obtain the name of the cell phone owner from the company. This would take law enforcement to subpoena it.

This is not TV detective stories. We have laws that hinder anyone from just pulling private information and there is a slow process to work around this.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46617 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:06 pm to
First of all, they had to create this image for the film to illustrate a methodology. Cell data, in its native format doesn't look like this, so your griping about there not being more maps is a red herring. Second of all, you are asking the board to reject their box locations and accept yours. Who the frick are you? Third, this type of geolocation data is sound. Its admissible in court and often used by law enforcement. If its good enough to put a murder suspect at a crime scene than its good enough to place a mule at a drop box.


quote:

Blindly believing will never be what I do


This is exactly what you are doing. Shucking and jiving to dismiss away compelling evidence, while providing a counter argument filled with AJC fact checks and your own mysterious research.

quote:

Both sides


There's the white flag.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46617 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:18 pm to
The video was there only to validate the geo-tracking methodology. This is a film based on a scientific endeavor.

They could only secure footage in jurisdictions where transparency laws allowed the public access the footage.
Even then, they are only able to see footage of boxes under surveillance - few of them are. They acknowledged in the film that the mules knew what boxes had cameras and showed patterns of avoidance. They also began using gloves immediately after the FBI arrested a harvester in AZ using fingerprint evidence.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 1:23 pm
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