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re: 200 year old live oak or Dollar General?
Posted on 8/19/25 at 6:41 pm to weagle1999
Posted on 8/19/25 at 6:41 pm to weagle1999
quote:Really?
The value of the tree to humanity and nature exceeds whatever profit the property owner could realize
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Posted on 8/19/25 at 6:49 pm to BoardReader
quote:Wrong. Humanism is simply an ethical framework that values human dignity, reason, and welfare. The term you're looking for is "human exceptionalism" which is an excuse to do shitty things dressed up as an ethos.
The fetishization of nature is a pagan impulse. and a hallmark of anti-humanism.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 8/19/25 at 6:50 pm to weagle1999
Not your land, not your tree…
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:16 pm to TDTOM
quote:
When I bought my house, I had the only one big tree on the property removed, along with 3 crepe myrtles. Not really sorry if that hurts your liberal feelings.
One of the strangest flexes ever. How much do you bench press?
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:21 pm to weagle1999
quote:
There is a church near me that wiped out acres of woods just because they wanted fill dirt. Another one took down a bunch of hardwoods because they wanted to expand their parking lot.
I don't see why these timber companies and land owners can't at least leave a 10-15 foot buffer between the clear cut and the road. Then at least the people who live in the area and drive by every day wouldn't have to look at the sad white trash adomination of a property that you created.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:23 pm to weagle1999
the tree can always grow back.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:25 pm to weagle1999
quote:
What say you?
I say Dollar Generals are ugly and we have taken the American ideals to extremes when we just accept that anything beautiful in the community can just be destroyed to be replaced with something ugly.
We can still be a land of opportunity and not destroy beautiful things.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:33 pm to weagle1999
Live Oak enthusiasts. This is a list of ancient Live Oaks in Pass Christian, with address and age.
Pass Christian Live Oak Registry
Pass Christian Live Oak Registry
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:39 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I didn’t think Live Oak wood was that desirable in that regard.
It's not that desirable for commercial use for a lot of reasons, but it makes beautiful furniture as long as you don't mind heavy pieces. I got a bunch milled after Michael, I just paid a guy with a portable mill to set up in the driveway. Other than being rough on the saw blades there wasn't anything particularly tricky about it.
If you build something well with it it'll last forever, but it does take some extra time when it comes to finishing. It's like sanding concrete.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:48 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:
You don’t know much huh…
I have a degree in wildlife and manage properties for a living.
Please tell me what I need to learn
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:49 pm to weagle1999
This is where the free market comes into play. If the community decides the tree is more valuable than another DG, they should take their case to DG corporate. Start petitions, contact local media, take it viral thru Tik Toc and Facebook. Make the decision difficult for shareholders.
The government should have absolutely nothing to do with it.
The government should have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:54 pm to BoardReader
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The fetishization of nature is a pagan impulse. and a hallmark of anti-humanism.
People like you are just as loony as the pagans who fetishize nature.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:57 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
Humanism is simply an ethical framework that values human dignity, reason, and welfare. The term you're looking for is "human exceptionalism" which is an excuse to do shitty things dressed up as an ethos.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:00 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:I'm not a tree hugger by any stretch of the imagination. That being said, I can think of 4 DG's within a 5 mile radius of where I'm sitting. Occasionally, I have to pop into a DG when I'm working to pick up a thumbstick to download data, because I left one of my other 5 on my desk. Other than that, I think I've been in one, once in the last 12 months.
Tree any day. We have too many Dollar Generals.
Keep the old tree.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:00 pm to scrooster
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There's an art to harvesting them for furniture and frames, etc.
They’re incredibly strong and durable but hard to cut and plane. And live oak boards won’t crack but they warp easily if not seasoned right when woodworking. But a specialist who knows what he is doing can make very durable products with it.
USS Constitution, oldest naval ship in active commission in the world, was built with southern live oak wood. That’s why it got the nickname Old Ironsides and never lost a battle. Cannonballs just bounced off it. The ship was built unusual for the time, very long and narrow and very heavy. She carried 40-50 guns and the man who designed it did so knowing the United States Navy couldn’t compete with European navies as far as number of ships, so he designed her to be able to overpower and outrun anyone.
It’s funny how uniquely American that very design of that ship ended up being considering everything Americans built for the next 250 years was generally large, durable, innovative and powerful.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:10 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
Please tell me what I need to learn
A lot.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:12 pm to LegendInMyMind
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A lot
Please expand.
A live oak produces acorns from the ages of 20 to about 120 years of age. Please tell me about the benefits to wildlife of a 200 year old live oak.
I’ll hang up and listen
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:14 pm to deltaland
quote:
They’re incredibly strong and durable but hard to cut and plane.
Cutting isn't terrible but I had to switch to a helical cutter head for the planer.
quote:
And live oak boards won’t crack but they warp easily if not seasoned right when woodworking.
I've not had any warp but I let it dry racked on stickers in the garage for a few years before I had time to do anything with it. The few small projects I've done I've moved the wood inside for a couple of months before starting and haven't had any movement. Sometimes you'll get little micro-checking (I don't know if that's technically the correct term) in the swirly parts of the grain but black epoxy takes care of that.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:15 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
A live oak produces acorns from the ages of 20 to about 120 years of age. Please tell me about the benefits to wildlife of a 200 year old live oak.
So......in your world trees in the later stages of their life have absolutely no use to wildlife? Interesting.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:15 pm to deltaland
Thanks for backing me up on that .... much appreciated.
Around here there's a couple of guys who make massive tables out of them and big beds ... easier to get than white oak and red oaks. But the big thing Bill makes out of them are trailer sides and tool handles for the Mennonite and Morman blacksmiths. I wanna say he makes flooring out of it as well. He wears out a lot of circular saw blades and plainer blades. I used to get his old circular saw blades and make knives out of them ... and other stuff.
I've been to our local small mill. He has to cut them differently, I wanna say "quartersawn" maybe? And he dries them in this big oven .... real slow.
We had a big round table made out of a live oak we lost to a storm, and gave it to our Son for the old house he restored. It turned out awesome. Seats eight. One solid piece for the top.
There's a lot you can do with live oak.
Around here there's a couple of guys who make massive tables out of them and big beds ... easier to get than white oak and red oaks. But the big thing Bill makes out of them are trailer sides and tool handles for the Mennonite and Morman blacksmiths. I wanna say he makes flooring out of it as well. He wears out a lot of circular saw blades and plainer blades. I used to get his old circular saw blades and make knives out of them ... and other stuff.
I've been to our local small mill. He has to cut them differently, I wanna say "quartersawn" maybe? And he dries them in this big oven .... real slow.
We had a big round table made out of a live oak we lost to a storm, and gave it to our Son for the old house he restored. It turned out awesome. Seats eight. One solid piece for the top.
There's a lot you can do with live oak.
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