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re: 20-year-old sues Walmart, Dick's because they wouldn't sell him guns

Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:37 pm to
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The contrarian in me loves the trolling and is looking forward to the wailing and the gnashing of the teeth from the same folks who cheered the cake case.


I concur.

The fact that the case is being filed against such large companies is further entertainment. I can't wait for the lawyers to roll out the Walmart forced out small business in my hometown and I don't have a choice on where to shop argument.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:39 pm to
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The far left is completely intolerant which requires a LOT of discrimination

They tend to discriminate based on philosophy/viewpoint/beliefs, which is far more scary to me than physical discrimination.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:40 pm to
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False. What was needed in the civil rights era were the repeal of laws that mandated certain kinds of discrimination /segregation. Not laws that forces integration/service.


I can get into agreement with you on that. Establishing classes such as they did was certainly a shortsighted development.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85591 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:48 pm to
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That isn't even close to the same level of discrimination. If this kid is able to Sue and win over not getting a gun from Dick's, can a 19 year old sue enterprise for not getting a car even though the legal driving age is 16?


You don't have a right to a car. Modern interpretations of 14th amendment liberty do read a right to freedom of travel, but there is no mandate on method of travel.

Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:56 pm to
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You don't have a right to a car


He is trying to make someone rent him their real and personal property. When you are renting things you can make all kinds of rules that disqualify people from renting.

He is all apples and oranges here.
Posted by Esquire
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:56 pm to
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I guess then I am ignorant of the law that states age cannot be a discriminating factor.


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The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967. ... L. 90-202) (ADEA), as amended, as it appears in volume 29 of the United States Code, beginning at section 621. The ADEA prohibits employment discrimination against persons 40 years of age or older.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:04 pm to
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The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967. ... L. 90-202) (ADEA), as amended, as it appears in volume 29 of the United States Code, beginning at section 621. The ADEA prohibits employment discrimination against persons 40 years of age or older.


So that allows for discriminating against all others? That is not equal under the law. How does the USSC justify inequality.


And thanks for the info
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:05 pm to
This thread went as expected

Small government conservatives against the cake lawsuit are all about this one
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:07 pm to
I just want all things fair under law.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:09 pm to
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How does the USSC justify inequality.


They have various levels of scrutiny to apply to laws that discriminate, depending on what class of people is being discriminated against. Strict scrutiny for protected classes (race, gender, religion), an intermediate one that encompasses whatever the justices feel like including depending on whether the case is sympathetic to them (cynically, the actual term for this one is escaping me atm), and rational basis for everyone else.

Each of the three come with a slightly higher hurdle for the law to pass in order to be constitutional/non discriminatory.

There is also disfavor towards “arbitrary and capricious” laws, which isn’t directly related to any of the above, but could be used to attack a law that enacts a pointless or perhaps unintended discriminatory effect.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:12 pm to
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It can be used the other way around if you do that.


That cat is already out of the bag.

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If you aren't convicted to your point then you're just pretending and if you're just pretending you're just a troll and if you're just a troll you have no point and are in no way constructive.


So basically you want the right to hold to their principles why the left is free to lie, cheat, and steal.

Im a pragmatist. I think its well worth using these methods to show the fallacy of leftists politics. Im committed to real life results, not holding to principles while I get run over.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21446 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:15 pm to
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Do you think you can sue bars that don’t let 18-20 year olds in?


Drinking in bars and buying cigarettes is not a right enshrined via a constitutional amendment. The right to bear arms is. Refusing to sell a firearm to a legal adult between the ages of 18 and 20 denies them of their ability to excercise that right.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:16 pm to
The secondment amendment doesn’t apply to private entities though.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:17 pm to
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they are refusing to sell to all 18-20 yr olds period.


Good. Companies should be able to refuse goods or service to whomever they choose.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:18 pm to
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Drinking in bars and buying cigarettes is not a right enshrined via a constitutional amendment. The right to bear arms is. Refusing to sell a firearm to a legal adult between the ages of 18 and 20 denies them of their ability to excercise that right.


What? Dude... No. The 2A doesn't grant everyone the right to buy a gun from whomever they want. It just says the fed can't infringe on your ability to keep or bear.

This is wal mart. Not the FBI.

Had the fed told wal mart they can't sell to 20 YOs, then you'd be right. That happens every day, BTW.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:18 pm to
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The right to bear arms is.


The right to bear arms free from government infringement? Absolutely.

The right to buy a gun from a private business?

Negative, ghost rider. The Constitution only protects you from the government. (Unless you are black, a woman, handicapped or gay )
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:19 pm to
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The right to bear arms free from government infringement? Absolutely.

The right to buy a gun from a private business?

Negative, ghost rider. The Constitution only protects you from the government. (Unless you are black, a woman, handicapped or gay


I thought this was so obvious. I guess not
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
15071 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:19 pm to
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This thread went as expected

Small government conservatives against the cake lawsuit are all about this one


Confirmation bias much?
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:20 pm to
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Small government conservatives against the cake lawsuit are all about this one


Had the cake lawsuit been unsuccessful then this would be a very different thread. People like yourself were celebrating the gay cake ruling without asking yourselves if this would bite you in the arse down the road.

Guess what? We are down the road.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:20 pm to
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The 2A doesn't grant everyone the right to buy a gun from whomever they want. It just says the fed can't infringe on your ability to keep or bear.


This.

If a buyer has a right to buy something, wouldnt that imply the other party has an equal duty to sell? That would make the case law real interesting. If thats the case the state could start making all sorts of businesses start selling guns they have no desire to.
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