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re: 20-year-old sues Walmart, Dick's because they wouldn't sell him guns

Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:00 pm to
If it’s good for the goose...

Absent a state law or a federal law setting it at 21 along the rationale of alcohol sales, I don’t think the companies prevail.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:08 pm to
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Absent a state law or a federal law setting it at 21 along the rationale of alcohol sales, I don’t think the companies prevail.

yeah that's going to be the problem, assuming the state non-discrimination law allows "youth" claims

when you enact these sorts of laws, you have already ceded the freedom to contract (among other individual rights) and are mandated to contract with people pursuant to state law and not personal choice. that's why the bakers lost. i don't see how the courts can wrangle their way out of that precedent here (unless the statute isn't an age discrimination law and is an "old age" discrimination law, which just makes that law even worse)
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85598 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:11 pm to
The contrarian in me loves the trolling and is looking forward to the wailing and the gnashing of the teeth from the same folks who cheered the cake case.

We’re about to see some naked, bare hypocrisy and ignorance.
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:15 pm to
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if those Christian bakers have to abide by this state regulation, so should Dicks


That isn't even close to the same level of discrimination. If this kid is able to Sue and win over not getting a gun from Dick's, can a 19 year old sue enterprise for not getting a car even though the legal driving age is 16?
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:19 pm to
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can a 19 year old sue enterprise for not getting a car even though the legal driving age is 16


Sure, your ilk opened this can of worms and now they can squirm all over the place.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:22 pm to
If it's otherwise legal, yes

Welcome to the insanity of anti-discrimination laws in practice

They make the government feel so good when they pass, though
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:23 pm to
They're just going to say the argument is [insert negative comment similar to absurd] and say they won't engage in a discussion
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:23 pm to
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That isn't even close to the same level of discrimination.


Especially if you really, really, really love cake.
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:24 pm to
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Sure, your ilk opened this can of worms and now they can squirm all over the place.


I'm going to interpret your retort as you being stumped.
Posted by Brazoria Bengal
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:25 pm to
The law says businesses HAVE to sell goods to 18-20 year olds?
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:26 pm to
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level of discrimination


What is this descriptive notation.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:27 pm to
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While many of us think they should, the proggies have already set the precedent that you CAN’T refuse service, so this is just using their own ammo against them.


"progressives are dumb authoritarian shitbags. Quick, let's double down!"
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:28 pm to
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I'm going to interpret your retort as you being stumped.


Rental laws are not the same a purchasing laws.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:30 pm to
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They make the government feel so good when they pass, though


We just had a gun store sell an AR to a fricking psycho killer because he "passed the background checks". Had discrimination been allowed, the gun store very well could have excluded that wretched little shite based on his local record and reputation.

"anti discrimination laws" are really just legal exceptions on the kinds of discrimination that are 100 percent necessary for a healthy, functional society.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:32 pm to
Oh so now it's ok for the government to force a company to sell it's product
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36972 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:32 pm to
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It’s going to be funny to watch the left twist and turn to somehow make this okay.



Over 600 comments on the story on Oregon live. It's comical and as expected many are twisting in the wind.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476597 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:33 pm to
Many progs have forgotten what discriminate actually means...or they have tried to post modern it into being politically slanted for their favored policies. The far left is completely intolerant which requires a LOT of discrimination
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:35 pm to
I tend to agree with you that protected classes have stretched far too broadly. There was a point in time where some version of them was needed during the civil rights era. However in today’s world of relative equality and social media transparency, the market is more than capable of handling discrimination on its own without regulation.

It could still be an issue in smaller places, or business who operate as the only provider of a given service in a broad market. The anti discriminatory stuff covers the bases in that scenario, similar to how anti trust law works in those small markets where true market forces can’t provide a remedy bc of lack of competition.

Some of the classes however, are never going away. It’s just too entrenched in the jurisprudence at this point
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:35 pm to
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Many progs have forgotten what discriminate actually means...or they have tried to post modern it into being politically slanted for their favored policies


Yep. They've created and enforced a narrative that is 100 percent impossible to implement. Not only is discrimination not "bad", it's one of the most important aspects of society.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:37 pm to
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There was a point in time where some version of them was needed during the civil rights era


False. What was needed in the civil rights era were the repeal of laws that mandated certain kinds of discrimination /segregation. Not laws that forces integration/service.
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