re: 20 new papers published suggesting solar activity the key driving force of CC

Geologically speaking CO2 levels are at a historic low.

CO2 = global warming? During the last Ice Age CO2 levels were about 4000ppm. Now, at about 400ppm it's causing dangerous global warming. There's a sucker born every minute.

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CO2 IS a pollutant

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How can a gas vital to survival of all life on Earth be a pollutant?

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LINK quote: “The identification of causal effects is a fundamental problem in climate change research. Here, a new perspective on climate change causality is presented using the central England temperature (CET) dataset, the longest instrumental temperature record, and a combination of slow feature analysis and wavelet analysis. The driving forces of climate change were investigated and the results showed two independent degrees of freedom —a 3.36-year cycle and a 22.6-year cycle, which seem to be connected to the El Niño–Southern Oscillation cycle and the Hale sunspot cycle, respectively.” quote: “Hurricane genesis modelling based on the relationship between solar activity and hurricanes … There are a number of works concerning the Sun–Earth connections and their influence on atmospheric motions. There are a number of observations which show that within a few days after energetic solar eruptions (flares, coronal mass ejections and eruptive prominences), there are diverse meteorological responses of considerable strength (Gomes et al. 2012). … Conclusion: [T]here are several indications which are in favor that the beginning of violent cyclonic motions in Earth’s atmosphere may be caused by charged particles from the solar wind.” These are just two excerpts.

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Solar activity is the indisputable catalyst for nearly all climate activity, people we have a gargantuan microwave source with no controls. The sun is laughing at the progressive scientists that are claiming anthropogenic activity is driving force behind this alleged "climate change ".

CO2 IS a pollutant, when it is present at levels far beyond the normal and natural levels in the Earth's atmosphere, as is the case in the 21st century

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I dont think its smart to ignore manmade issues we could change

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At...what...cost?

To...what...effect?

I rarely hear the AGW cultists talk about a cost benefit analysis. Just that we must do something extreme, immediate and profound. "For the children."

Where is the explanation that the vast majority of folks on this planet (billions and billions of human beings) rise, eat, travel, work, consume, communicate, are entertained under the cloak of carbon emissions? Almost everything that is powered can very easily be tied to fossil fuel use. Non-fossil/non-nuclear sources of electricity make up a very, very small percentage of a rising global demand.

And if we shut ALL OF IT down, it would, perhaps, shift the system downward a few tenths of a degree C (at best).

That would result in the death of billions of people and the misery of billions more. And since this cost-benefit analysis is almost never part of the AGW argument, I'm highly dismissive.

What's worse - things that we could be doing (my pet peeves are the left's demonization of nuclear power and human indifference to their own dangerous pollution) - which is better and better nuclear power, and poisoning the ocean as a food supply. These very real issues have been sidelined because of the left's fantasy about solar and wind, and ignoring real pollution in favor of reducing something that isn't pollution at all (CO2).

/soapboxrant

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when it is present at levels far beyond the normal and natural levels in the Earth's atmosphere

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What are "normal" and "natural" levels of CO2? As a reminder, the world did not begin in 1850.


What should the temperature of the earth be?


How much will it cost in human lives and money to attain your ideal CO2 and temperature levels?

I'll hang up and listen.

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it is present at levels far beyond the normal and natural levels in the Earth's atmosphere,

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bullshite. You're brainwashed.

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OP posted this thread with a link. It's a pretty long article and you posted this bullshite 5 minutes later.

There is no way you read this article yet you come in to disprove it in a matter of minutes.

You are the very definition of a shill.

How does it feel to be so narrow minded?

Surely, you would want ALL types of information before you go saving the world, huh homey?

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Speaking of rushing to judgement... I told him i agreed that solar winds ALSO cause climate change, jackass. If you weren't so quick (faster than mimutes) to respond, you wouldve read that.

Or maybe the warming allowed greater human activity?

So what? Why do you have a problem with carbon...is it because carbon is black??? Thats racist.