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re: 16 states sue trump/federal government over executive overreach
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:20 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:20 am to NC_Tigah
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I wonder what their standing is.
Pretty sure Supreme Court said immigration was the fedgov's sandbox just a few years ago.
Oh...and where were you when Obama enacted the EO that Trump is using?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:37 am to MastrShake
Nice to see all these states not on the Mexico border jumping in to sue. Grandstanding at its finest.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 7:39 am
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:41 am to celltech1981
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executive power needs to be curtailed. shouldn't be a partisan issue. Republican and Democratic presidents have both been guilty of it.
That may be, but it's literally and actually the President's job to protect the country
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:42 am to udtiger
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Pretty sure Supreme Court said immigration was the fedgov's sandbox just a few years ago.
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Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387 (2012), was a United States Supreme Court case involving Arizona's S.B. 1070, a state law intended to increase the powers of local law enforcement who wished to enforce federal immigration laws. At issue is whether the law usurps the federal government's authority to regulate immigration laws and enforcement. The Court ruled that sections 3, 5(C), and 6 of S. B. 1070 were preempted by federal law, but left other parts of the law intact, including a provision that allowed law enforcement to investigate a person's immigration status.
Reap what you sow.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:43 am to MastrShake
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states are California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Virginia and Michigan, with Massachusetts and Washington
This is how civil wars start.
The South needs a border fence to defend itself from an invasion in the southern border, and the north is currently suing to make sure the president cannot protect the citizens of the South.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:44 am to incognegro1
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Grandstanding at its finest
It's not grandstanding. It's actively inciting civil war.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:45 am to Nguyener
If these are the civil war states, I am not worried at all. I think the rednecks between Texas and Alabama could take every snowflake state listed.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:45 am to MastrShake
Well yeah Trump already told us this at the press conference
Yall walk directly into his trap yet again
Yall walk directly into his trap yet again
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:46 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Perhaps it does, and perhaps it does not, but that is not the issue in the lawsuit. The ISSUES are (basicaallIy:
Stop pretending that the wall doesn't have broad support.
Is construction of a border Wall an “emergency” for purposes of the NEA?. Few would assert that control of the border is not an important issue, but that does not make construction of a Wall an “emergency. There is certainly evidence that even Trump,did not consider this project to be an “emergency,” but the evidence is not overwhelming either way. It may eventually depend upon who has the burden of proof and what the standard may be.
Is construction of a border Wall undertaken for “law enforcement purposes,” as that term is defined in 31 USC 9705?. Absent a specific Congressional prohibition, it probably qualifies, so the question thus becomes one of whether Congress prohibited such construction.
Is construction of a border Wall undertaken for “roads and fences and ... lighting,” as that term is defined in 10 USC 284?Basically, when does something ceases to be a “fence’” and become a “Wall?”. Trump does not help his argument by insisting thar fences are not enough and calling his project a Wall.
Is construction of a border Wall something that “REQUIRES use of the armed forces,” for purposes of 10 USC 2808?”. In other words, COULD a border Wall physically be constructed without the use of the armed forces.”. COULD an entity other than the military engage in this construction?
Is construction of a border Wall “military construction project() .... necessary to support (deployment) of the armed forces.,” as that term is defined in 10 USC 2808?” In other words, could US troops patrol the border without a big, beautiful 30-foot concrete Wall?
Honestly, most of these questions could go either way.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 8:01 am
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:48 am to MastrShake
So filth run states are suing... Lol
Shocking
Shocking
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:48 am to SDVTiger
It is hardly prescient to predict that you will be sued for doing something that half the country thinks is illegal (not authorized by statute).
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 8:02 am
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:49 am to NC_Tigah
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I wonder what their standing is.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:51 am to MastrShake
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16 states sue trump
So 34 slacker states.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:51 am to AggieDub14
quote:In legal terms, that is called an “admission.”. It certainly does not help or support Trump’s claim that Wall construction is an “emergency” for purposes of 10 USC 2808.
I didn’t need to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster.”
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:53 am to Green Chili Tiger
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I would assume if any of the funds being diverted impact their state that would qualify as "standing".
They'll have to prove the funds are being diverted from their state(s). That hasn't been decided yet so they can't have standing there at the time of filing. At the very least they've shot their wad too soon and handed the administration a map of where not to pull funds from.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:54 am to celltech1981
quote:This is the broader, public-policy concern, but it has little relevance to the propriety of Trump’s actions under the NEA as it now exists.
executive power needs to be curtailed. shouldn't be a partisan issue. Republican and Democratic presidents have both been guilty of it.
The NEA is crappy legislation and should be substantially revised, but that iis a distinct issue.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:54 am to AggieHank86
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In legal terms, that is called an “admission.”
Admission to what?
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It certainly does not help or support Trump’s claim that Wall construction is an “emergency” for purposes
Everyone who isnt an idiot knows theres an emergency at the border liberal hank
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:56 am to SDVTiger
Admission that congress isn't doing its job.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:56 am to Teton Tiger
quote:Hardly. I suspect that some percentage of those States just did not want to expend their funds, when someone else was handling the problem. Classic “free rider” scenario.
34 stares in line with the President.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:56 am to NC_Tigah
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I wonder what their standing is.
In the three rings of the Ninth Circus, libtards don’t need no stinking standing!
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