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Posted on 1/6/26 at 3:30 pm to chalmetteowl
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It’s a bad deal to them because there aren’t many 5 star quarterbacks and CEOs out there
100% correct, and again, the result of feminism.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:55 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I missed this statement in your longer post.
Women are doing cost/benefit analyses of marriage and are choosing what makes more sense for their lives, which often doesn't include marriage to a man.
Re: "cost/benefit," what is the cost/benefit of children for a mom?
Serious question.
Because if the benefit of having kids, their love, and associated maternal satisfaction is what I'd bet you'd rate it, there is almost no "cost" you'd say would outweigh "benefit."
Which then boils down to the single mom poverty vs two parent financial premise. What is the cost/benefit of raising kids as a single mom in poverty vs as a married mom not in poverty?
quote:Perhaps. But were that true, would we not see a change in the male cohort as well? It seems obvious we would.
Or they are assessing what the see at home and are deciding that's not the life they want.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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First off, that is a misinterpretation. Public school teachers are largely relegated to administration and and union agendas.
Who is teaching or supervising students while public school teachers are focused on administration and and union agendas?
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A teacher might well understand the futility of teaching a 35-student class with an IQ spread of 75 to 125, but she's not allowed freedom to do anything based on that understanding. So emphasis is to the average at the outliers' expense.
This suggests teachers are either incapable or lack the authority to differentiate curriculum to meet student needs. Is that your claim?
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A teacher might well understand the how terribly inappropriate it is for a gay colleague to habitually distract from classroom subject matter in order to 'share' his alternate lifestyle with kids during class. But if says something, it's likely she'd be the one in professional trouble.
This might be the alleged reality in random Twitter threads but give me a break.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:12 pm to NC_Tigah
Some marriages are destined for failure. I've seen two excellent, good people just end up being like oil and water together. Children in that environment are more likely to be very pessimistic on the institution of marriage.
Then there is the social media/influencer factor. This is where women are targeted successfully with radical feminist ideals. I think their generally higher social EQ (and the need to be more social) actually plays against them with this more than it does guys. It makes them an easier target for trends on social media.
The truth is that I know far more people who are happy in their marriages than those that have divorced. And that doesn't mean that divorced people are somehow doing things wrong. Most of them got divorced for a damn good reason. But that doesn't mean that other people don't find value in marriage.
Then there is the social media/influencer factor. This is where women are targeted successfully with radical feminist ideals. I think their generally higher social EQ (and the need to be more social) actually plays against them with this more than it does guys. It makes them an easier target for trends on social media.
The truth is that I know far more people who are happy in their marriages than those that have divorced. And that doesn't mean that divorced people are somehow doing things wrong. Most of them got divorced for a damn good reason. But that doesn't mean that other people don't find value in marriage.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:15 pm to 4cubbies
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That doesn't change the fact that marriage benefits men more than women.
That's not a universal fact at all; that's an opinion.
A good marriage benefits both significantly. A good spouse recognizes the and appreciates the contributions of their partner even if it's not always overt or obvious.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:17 pm to kingbob
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Throw in the lack of phonics education in 4th grade resulting in a collapse of literacy rates,
Can you say more about this? Students, ideally, can ready fluently and proficiently by the beginning of third grade. Only remedial students would need explicit phonics instruction in fourth grade.
Part of why our literacy rates were so bad is because public education spent 20 years embracing Lucy Calkins and "balanced literacy" instead of staying to committed to what we already knew worked: explicit phonics instruction in K-2 grades.
I do agree that accountability and funding structures introduced under No Child Left Behind created perverse incentives, including pressure to inflate grades and socially promote students which ultimately undermines both struggling and high-performing students.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:19 pm to wackatimesthree
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Welcome to the poli board where cubbies invents things that she claims people say when she loses a debate. Every time.
I never said the indoctrination came from any school teachers.
My mistake. Who is indoctrinating these students?
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:24 pm to 4cubbies
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Who is teaching or supervising students while public school teachers are focused on administration and and union agendas?
Maybe this is why public school test scores are so shitty.
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This suggests teachers are either incapable or lack the authority to differentiate curriculum to meet student needs. Is that your claim?
Again, maybe this is why public school test scores are so shitty.
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This might be the alleged reality in random Twitter threads but give me a break.
Which part of his comment do you dispute, specifically?
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:25 pm to 4cubbies
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Can you say more about this? Students, ideally, can ready fluently and proficiently by the beginning of third grade. Only remedial students would need explicit phonics instruction in fourth grade.
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Public school reading levels vary widely, but recent assessments show that many students are struggling. For example, fewer than a third of students nationwide are performing at the proficient level in reading, with significant declines noted since the pandemic.
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Reading levels in public schools are assessed through standardized tests, primarily the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP). This assessment provides insights into the reading proficiency of students across the United States.
Current Reading Proficiency Statistics
Fourth Grade: In 2024, approximately 40% of fourth graders scored below the NAEP Basic level in reading, indicating significant challenges in basic reading skills.
Eighth Grade: About one-third of eighth graders also failed to meet the NAEP Basic benchmark, marking the highest percentage since the assessment began.
Twelfth Grade: High school seniors are experiencing historic lows in reading proficiency, with nearly 32% testing below the basic level.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:27 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:You're equating mom-ing with being a wife.
Because if the benefit of having kids, their love, and associated maternal satisfaction is what I'd bet you'd rate it, there is almost no "cost" you'd say would outweigh "benefit."
quote:I don't believe being a single mom is preferable to parenting within a nuclear family.
Which then boils down to the single mom poverty vs two parent financial premise. What is the cost/benefit of raising kids as a single mom in poverty vs as a married mom not in poverty?
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Perhaps. But were that true, would we not see a change in the male cohort as well? It seems obvious we would.
Because, as I've stated repeatedly, marriage benefits men far more than women. Why would men desire to avoid an institution that benefits them in profound ways?
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:28 pm to BugAC
Thanks but that doesn't really speak to the necessity of tier 1 phonics instruction in fourth grade.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:32 pm to BugAC
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Which part of his comment do you dispute, specifically?
The comment implies several things that aren't supported by data:
1. That there are a significant number of homosexual male teachers.
2. That a significant number of these homosexual male teachers use a significant amount of instructional time 'sharing' details about their alternative lifestyles with kids.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:37 pm to dewster
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The truth is that I know far more people who are happy in their marriages than those that have divorced. And that doesn't mean that divorced people are somehow doing things wrong. Most of them got divorced for a damn good reason. But that doesn't mean that other people don't find value in marriage.
I want to clarify that I don't think all marriages are bad or that marriages can't benefit both husbands and wives. I believe there is value in marriage. I, myself, am married. I believe divorce is taken too lightly in the USA, especially when kids are a factor.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:40 pm to 4cubbies
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Why would men desire to avoid an institution that benefits them in profound ways?
Because even if we assume that your assertion is true, that marriage benefits men more than women, divorce benefits women FAR more than it does men. HALF of marriages end in divorce, and the process of divorce is often financially crippling for men. I have never truly recovered from mine emotionally or financially, and my divorce was about as amicable and uncontested as they come.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:50 pm to 4cubbies
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Can you say more about this? Students, ideally, can ready fluently and proficiently by the beginning of third grade. Only remedial students would need explicit phonics instruction in fourth grade.
First of all, many school systems had been moving away from phonics education completely in the 2000's and 2010's, seeing the system as outdated and (you guessed it) racist. As a result, literacy rates plummeted in many areas.
If you graduate 4th grade without being able to read, you're being set up to fail. Essentially all instruction post 4th grade operates off of the presupposition that the student can fluently read and write in English. You can't learn history if you can't read. You can't learn English literature if you can't read. You can't learn earth sciences or biology if you can't read. The kids who can't read in 5th grade become discouraged and disruptive by the time they hit 8th grade, which results in, essentially, a complete collapse of classrooms being able to function effectively as administrators can't remove the disruptive kids from the class, nor can they allocate special time to teaching these kids to read. The system just keeps promoting them along despite the fact that they have ZERO ability to actually perform and ZERO resources to catch up. It could just be anecdotal, but when I was a substitute teacher in inner city middle schools/high schools, every disruptive, violent kid I had to deal with couldn't read. EVERY SINGLE ONE straight up couldn't read. I think the correlation/causation is pretty strong here.
That's why Mississippi stopped letting kids graduate the 4th grade without being fully literate. As a result, their education ratings have skyrocketed over the past 10 years. It's called "The Mississippi Miracle". Louisiana recently copied their program, so hopefully, we will see similar results in the next decade.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:52 pm to theballguy
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Girls have seen the boys that Millenials are raising
So blame the men.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:54 pm to 4cubbies
quote:And as has been pointed out, such claims are based on flawed Critical Feminist Pedagogy. Flawed, because as with any critical theory, it focuses first on a root target, then seeks historical artifact to support what is inevitably an oppressor premise focused on the target.
Because, as I've stated repeatedly, marriage benefits men far more than women.
There is no rational reason for a drop in 12th grade girls marital expectations from 83% in 1993 to 64% in 2025. You've cited hardships of work-life balance, intimating large differences for women in the workforce now vs 1993. In 1993, 45% of the US workforce was female. Today that number is 47%.
You've cited marital hardships unique to present day women. Yet, the divorce rate in 1993 was two-fold what it is now. It's antithetical to any premise that today's girls are witnessing less desirable IRL marital relationships.
Those are just the facts, Cubs.
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 1/7/26 at 3:11 pm to 4cubbies
quote:No.
You're equating mom-ing with being a wife.
I'm addressing the precepts separately.
(1) The benefits of having kids ... which less than 1/2 of of 12th graders now recognize, btw. Given those associate benefits, which you seem to recognize, what cost would entreat you give them up? I'd guess that cost would be incredibly high.
(2) Then, based on the above, assuming childbirth/rearing is a desirable female goal, what is the relative cost/benefit of marriage.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 3:20 pm to 4cubbies
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Because if the benefit of having kids, their love, and associated maternal satisfaction is what I'd bet you'd rate it, there is almost no "cost" you'd say would outweigh "benefit."
You're equating mom-ing with being a wife.
what if I told you the purpose of marriage was to procreate and have kids
(if you are Catholic, this is pretty foundational stuff)
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