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re: 12th Grade Girls Are Far Less Likely Than Boys To Say They Want To Get Married Someday
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:54 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:54 pm to Robin Masters
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Bill Burr has a great bit about how women waited until men invented AC to decide they wanted to join the workforce. Convenient time for sure.
As if women didn't work extensively during the Industrial Revolution. Maybe Bill Burr should read a history book.
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:56 pm to David_DJS
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We were responding to the following - “There were some significant moments in my life that my husband opted out of“
Too bad cubbies has no clue what she meant by saying that
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:58 pm to djsdawg
Why would I provide any details to a hostile message board poster? How would that benefit me or the discussion in any way?
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:09 pm to 4cubbies
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Why would I provide any details to a hostile message board poster? How would that benefit me or the discussion in any way?
It was suggested to you, because we don't want to know details of your life, to simply put it in the context of what wives are dealing with when their husbands opt out of important shite. Because we have no clue wtf you're talking about.
What sort of monumental life events/challenges do wives see their husbands opting out of these days so routinely that it supports your argument that men don't value women?
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:37 pm to Sofaking2
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The majority of men are not powerful. It’s a small percentage of the population that’s not even 1%.
Cubs knows this—it's been pointed out to her ad nauseam—but she chooses to ignore it.
It's why I always just respond to it with, "Teachers molest students."
It's just as true as "men start wars," which is to say that some tiny, minuscule percentage of men are even in a position to start a war.
But it sure sounds damning, doesn't it? "TEACHERS MOLEST STUDENTS!"
Make no mistake. Cubs is up to her ears in feminist theory. It's why she makes unintelligent statements like "men start wars," and why she trades in specious conclusions like, "Women have weighed marriage and found it lacking."
Those are staples of feminist theory going back to the 1800s. She's not concluding those things any more than young women are "concluding" that marriage is a bad deal. They (both Cubs and young women in general) have been indoctrinated to believe those things as a starting premise.
It's why she acts like men having 2% more leisure time a week than women is anything other than a minor issue that could easily be solved without abandoning marriage.
Because these ideas weren't born in 2026. They weren't even born in 1926.
They were born between 1795 and the end of the 1800s. When women had a whole lot more legitimate issues to complain about.
So the mantra hasn't changed in 200 years, but there's less and less to support it. Now we're down to 2% more leisure time for men, women being appreciated for being beautiful (which the vast majority go far out of their way to try to be), and women having to suffer the inconvenience in some states of driving across the state line to kill their children in utero.
That's it. That's about all they've got. Correcting for the fact that men tend to not report physical abuse, domestic abuse is kind of a wash according to the research. Women are doing fine in terms of income, home ownership, education—better when married than single, but compared to single men, they're doing fine. They can vote, have bank accounts, start businesses, be doctors and lawyers and such.
But feminism has said since the late 1700s that marriage was a bad deal for women. It's a central part of the feminist religion. So Cubs has to scrape up some reason to try to justify that assumption.
Notice that she will not address my question about why not just fix the minor issue of chore inequality rather than completely abandon marriage? She won't even acknowledge it. There's a reason for that.
Feminism says marriage must be abandoned by women. It always has. She doesn't give a deuce about actually solving 2% different in leisure time or women doing some minimal amount more in domestic chores. That ain't the point, and she wouldn't fix it if she could wave a magic wand and make it happen instantly.
The point is to support the dogma that woman must abandon marriage. NOT have men and women live together in marriage in harmony.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:44 pm to NC_Tigah
Fat, ugly, liberal teachers are teaching them this.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:31 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Maybe so. It is a difficult discussion, because, if taken at her word, we're apparently coming at the issue from such different situations, and such different perspectives ... marriage as a partnership vs an oppressor-oppressee relationship. She acknowledges mutual love in one moment, and in the next laments being wholly unvalued as a person. That last part is simply anathema to me.
she will not address my question about why not just fix the minor issue of chore inequality rather than completely abandon marriage? She won't even acknowledge it. There's a reason for that.
It seems so obvious that anyone loved is valued.
Yet, I've tried every rhetorical device I can think of to crack that shell ... shock, controversy, logic, metaphor ... nothing breaks through.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:29 pm to NC_Tigah
The chore inequality "study" makes me laugh. How does one even measure that with a person you live with day in and day out? Yes, I probably do more laundry and wash more dishes than my husband, but I would take those chores any day of the week over doing yard work or cleaning the pool. Like, I'll spend 5X the amount of time doing my things if I don't have to do those things or use the power washer...ever. Climate controlled chores for the win! 
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:39 pm to 4cubbies
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Why would I provide any details to a hostile message board poster?
To make a terrible point better?
Posted on 1/14/26 at 5:50 pm to 4cubbies
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How would that benefit me or the discussion in any way?
Takes at least 2 people to have a conversation, but you are always running away
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:06 pm to HouseMom
quote:That's the thing, isn't it. There are tasks to be done. Marital partners divide those tasks up in ways that make the most sense to them, and things gradually settle toward an equilibrium. If one doesn't feel up to a task, the other chips in, or the task gets put off.
but I would take those chores any day of the week over doing yard work or cleaning the pool.
I cannot imagine a situation where a couple work the same hours, get home at the same time, and then the guy lays back in the easy chair while his wife is routinely relegated to all the household chores. That just doesn't cut it. If nothing else, it's a matter of mutual respect.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yet, I've tried every rhetorical device I can think of to crack that shell ... shock, controversy, logic, metaphor ... nothing breaks through.
That's because it's an indoctrination.
Like I said, she's not coming to a conclusion, she's starting with one.
Just like these women abandoning marriage.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:24 pm to wackatimesthree
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Like I said, she's not coming to a conclusion, she's starting with one.
And you’re telling me that my experiences and what I observe with my own eyes is wrong and that the conclusions I’ve drawn using my own observations and experiences are actually not my observations but instead are indoctrination.
Noted.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:31 pm to djsdawg
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Takes at least 2 people to have a conversation, but you are always running away
I’m discussing the topic.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:31 pm to 4cubbies
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And you’re telling me that my experiences
Too bad you can’t explain what “opting out of major moments” means, not to mention it makes your husband sound bad.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:31 pm to djsdawg
It’s not central to any of my claims. Irrelevant. Let it go.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:36 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:I get it.
That's because it's an indoctrination.
But even the densest indoctrination can be disassembled through humanization of the target. There are mountains of evidence for that.
There is an excellent book, "The Best of Enemies," by Osha Gray addressing it. It's an easy read dealing with virulent racism in 1950's NC, and how when black and white extremists finally recognized the humanity of the other, a new day was born.
Cubbies is a tough egg to crack in terms of male humanity.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:45 pm to 4cubbies
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It’s not central to any of my claims. Irrelevant. Let it go.
Considering how you describe that, it seems like it had a big impact on your feminist ideals surrounding marriage, so not buying the “irrelevant” take.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:52 pm to NC_Tigah
The indoctrination program is working....the conservative family model has been villainized....
They will join the unhappy white liberal female club, which already is huge!
They will join the unhappy white liberal female club, which already is huge!
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:55 pm to 4cubbies
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And you’re telling me that my experiences and what I observe with my own eyes is wrong and that the conclusions I’ve drawn using my own observations and experiences are actually not my observations but instead are indoctrination.
Not indoctrination. The very definition of anecdotal fallacy.
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