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re: $123 Billion in a year to Ukraine causing ripple effects
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:16 am to lsunatchamp
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:16 am to lsunatchamp
I don't see how Russia can invade and conquer these former soviet nations with a GDP of either Florida or Texas.
Invasion and conquering of nations takes a lot of money and a massive military budget.
They are struggling against Ukraine who isn't known to have a strong military. What makes you think they would try fighting several nations even members of NATO if they can't even conquer little Ukraine?
Invasion and conquering of nations takes a lot of money and a massive military budget.
They are struggling against Ukraine who isn't known to have a strong military. What makes you think they would try fighting several nations even members of NATO if they can't even conquer little Ukraine?
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
You tell me why?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:34 am to lsunatchamp
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lsunatchamp
We don't claim you as an LSU fan.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:53 am to bogeypro
quote:We’re not broke. We still have checks left!
We can't afford this war.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:56 am to lsunatchamp
quote:Literally noting to be gained. Defending Poland is no harder h than defending Ukraine. It’s not like RUS gains all sorts of strategic advantage from taking the Ukraine.
We are in a bit of a pickle. Either arm Ukraine to the teeth in hopes that they will kill enough Russians to make them quit, or....let Russia win and eventually have to go to war with Russia once they invade Poland.
Fighting a war over a hypothetical is.. silly.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 2:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Would the world have been a better place if Russia used its meddling (and the revolution it created) to take over all of Ukraine in 2014 (instead of just Crimea)?
Is this the U.S.’s problem?
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Would the Western world be better off?
Would the US, specifically, be better off?
I think the money/resources being invested back directly into the U.S. would have a bigger impact on the U.S. i do not understand how the U.S.’s actions are helping the U.S. at all.
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Do you honestly believe Russia would have stopped it's neo-imperialism?
I am not sure that Team America World Police thing is really doing any good for the U.S. in many of these situations. Obviously, i am not looking for a world war to start because of country decided to take the whole thing over. I am just not sure to what end for the U.S. to get involved. It doesnt help that our own leaders look corrupt and see to be getting kickbacks and things in many of these situations.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 2:15 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 2:35 am to bogeypro
Do you actually think
Silly goose.
quote:is about
this war
quote:and
Russia
quote:??
China
Silly goose.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 2:36 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 2:37 am to lsunatchamp
Not sure why your getting votes. What you say is a large reason for the war. That and keeping NATO off their door step.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 2:42 am to GumboPot
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Make the money the elites have worthless.
They aren't hoarding the cash. They are buying assets.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 3:52 am to bogeypro
We got billions to give to a country that gives zero back in return but in 2034 we will have a shortfall in Social Security benefits to all the hard working people that pay into it every payday. Seems like those wasted billions to Ukraine sure would help working Americans alot more. BTW fuk Biden and the Ukraine.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:54 am to bogeypro
they wont stop until the economy crashes or they start WW3.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:24 am to dchog
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You tell me why?
They have imperialist intentions and will do anything to prevent Ukraine from joining the EU, because in a decade or 2 Ukraine would have a better SOL than Russia. It's inconceivable to a person like Putin that "little brother" would surpass Mother Russia.
That's the backbone of this whole conflict and why Russia set things in motion in 2010 by having their puppet Yanukovych get elected, leading up to his unpopular rejection of EU relations (which really had ramped up in 2004-2005 and were on pace for a path for membership during the Yanukovych term) and unilateral "trade agreement" with Russia instead.
That caused the Maidan Revolution, which caused Yanukovych to be expelled and allowed the US to influence the election of our puppet and the Russian invasion of Ukraine and seizure of Crimea. Once Zelensky, a pro-European and non-puppet leader ousted the US puppet, Russia was on notice and did what Russia does (flood Russian-speaking areas of former satellite nations with Russian assets who cause conflict so that Russia can play the "we're just trying to protect Russian-speaking people" card).
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:28 am to Colonel Flagg
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Is this the U.S.’s problem?
It affects us negatively. Ukraine was on the path to EU membership and the EU is one of our strongest allies (militarily and economically). Having Ukraine be part of the international free trade system (as opposed to Russian subjugation) would be very beneficial to the US, EU, and Ukraine (and terrible for Russia).
I don't know if that fits with your vague question, but that's the reality of the situation.
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I think the money/resources being invested back directly into the U.S. would have a bigger impact on the U.S. i do not understand how the U.S.’s actions are helping the U.S. at all.
You don't understand how adding a potentially powerful economic and military ally at the expense of a chaos agent who sees itself as our rival (
) would be beneficial to the US? Strengthening a free, Western Ukraine and having Russia crumble from the inside would be a dual victory.
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I am not sure that Team America World Police thing is really doing any good for the U.S.
Violation of TOS:Please don't respond with US-based whataboutism.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:30 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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but in 2034 we will have a shortfall in Social Security benefits to all the hard working people that pay into it every payday.
a. Then they didn't pay enough.
b. Do you really think $100B would be meaningful to SS? That's like 1 month of spending
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:01 am to bogeypro
I thing the bigger impact is that we’re giving away our equipment at a faster rate than it can be replenished. This is dramatically weaseling our war readiness.
This is by design because Biden and his transvestite generals want us to submit to China.
This is by design because Biden and his transvestite generals want us to submit to China.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
What has Russia done to the US recently? Why are we more concerned about Europe and Ukraine’s problems than our own domestic issues?
It seems like we would be much more concerned with China than anything else and our lack of domestic production to protect threatened supply chain issues. We also seem to not care at all about US groups/agencies and the Chinese creating COVID-19 virus.
Everything seems like questionable priorities which is the heart of the discussion.
Also Team America World Police is what the position you stated comes across as. I wouldnt really dismiss it as “whataboutism”. The issue is not tied down to direct impact to our country. I would say the impact is very indirect and why I question prIorities. Team America World Police just means we are getting in everyone’s business that is not necessarily ours.
It seems like we would be much more concerned with China than anything else and our lack of domestic production to protect threatened supply chain issues. We also seem to not care at all about US groups/agencies and the Chinese creating COVID-19 virus.
Everything seems like questionable priorities which is the heart of the discussion.
Also Team America World Police is what the position you stated comes across as. I wouldnt really dismiss it as “whataboutism”. The issue is not tied down to direct impact to our country. I would say the impact is very indirect and why I question prIorities. Team America World Police just means we are getting in everyone’s business that is not necessarily ours.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 9:24 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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Having Ukraine be part of the international free trade system (as opposed to Russian subjugation) would be very beneficial to the US, EU, and Ukraine (and terrible for Russia).
quote:Spending $100 billion to protect a trade partner we have a net $1.1 billion trade surplus with is silly.
In 2019, U.S. exports to Ukraine totaled $2.4 billion, a 5.3% ($0.1 billion) decrease from 2018; U.S. imports from Ukraine totaled $1.3 billion, a 4.0% ($0.05 billion) decrease; and the trade deficit was $1.1 billion, a 6.8% ($0.08 billion) decrease.
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Strengthening a free, Western Ukraine and having Russia crumble from the inside would be a dual victory.
“regime change 2.0” “If we make Iraq a democracy and get rid of Saddam democracy will explode across the middle east!” Still waiting for that one. I never fingered you for a neocon SFP. 
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 9:27 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:31 am to Colonel Flagg
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What has Russia done to the US recently?
Somewhat irrelevant to a discussion about the US's interests in the unprovoked Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Our interests don't always overlap with direct aggression against us. The world is big and we trade with most of it and we have all sorts of agreements with the vast majority of countries on Earth.
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Why are we more concerned about Europe and Ukraine’s problems than our own domestic issues?
False dichotomy.
The 2 aren't related in any meaningful way.
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It seems like we would be much more concerned with China than anything else and our lack of domestic production to protect threatened supply chain issues. We also seem to not care at all about US groups/agencies and the Chinese creating COVID-19 virus.
Again, to think we can't address these and give aide to Ukraine is irrational.
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Team America World Police is what the position you stated comes across as.
You act as if this is a US operation. This is primarily a European operation. They are our allies and we're aiding them.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:33 am to Taxing Authority
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Spending $100 billion to protect a trade partner we have a net $1.1 billion trade surplus with is silly.
They aren't integrated into the EU and are basically subjugated to Russia, due to Russian interference.
Also this is beyond our direct relationship with Ukraine. Russia has disrupted the entire international system of trade which has raised transactional costs and the cost of goods.
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“regime change 2.0” “
By keeping the regime who ousted our puppet in charge?
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f we make Iraq a democracy and get rid of Saddam democracy will explode across the middle east!” Still waiting for that one. I never fingered you for a neocon SFP.
I'm not. You're just making a strawman.
How is keeping the guy who ousted our puppet in charge a "regime change" in any sort of way?
*ETA: literally in your example we're supporting Iraq
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 10:41 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:47 am to CitizenK
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Arms built mostly in the 1980's and 90's not to be used again by the USA.
Well then why have they spent an additional 120 billion.
OP: "well duuuu they have to replenish the arms".
Well isnt that in the original 764 billion dollar military budget??
OP: "well duuu thats what the msm told me, you expect me to think???"
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 10:49 am
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