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re: 117M gallon Palisades reservoir emptied …
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:08 am to Statestreet
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:08 am to Statestreet
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A rough estimate for water needed to fight a house fire is 600 gallons per 1800 square feet of house
I dont know who came up with that estimate. 600 gal would not supply one hose line for 4 min...
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:14 am to GetmorewithLes
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A rough estimate for water needed to fight a house fire is 600 gallons per 1800 square feet of house
I dont know who came up with that estimate. 600 gal would not supply one hose line for 4 min...
There is a link in the post....
But go ahead and quadruple that number and there still would be a lot of water to wet down houses and put out fire.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:17 am to Penrod
36,000 gallons to put out a Tesla fire.
The increase in lithium ion batteries and other batteries is very significant in wildfires.
The increase in lithium ion batteries and other batteries is very significant in wildfires.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:21 am to Penrod
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They had 3 million gallons at their disposal. They could have had 120 million gallons at their disposal. Seems like those extra 117,000,000 gallons might have helped.
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this has nothing to do with the post to which you responded
The post I responded to intimated that the dry reservoir was virtually irrelevant to outcome.
In a scenario where scores of firemen describe hydrants running dry as they were combatting flames, where firefighters had to abandon entire swaths of the Palisades for lack of water, claims that the dry reservoir was not a large contributor to property loss simply do not pass logical muster.
quote:asseverates?
Advocates of a certain position deem every argument, and every claimed data point that militates in favor of their argument, to be correct.
Regardless, I think I get what you're saying.
E.g., Were I to point out that, to his credit, Gavin Newsom was pushing hard for a 50,000,000 gal/d desalination plant in SoCal, and got shutdown by far left loons, Newsom haters might downvote in droves. Nonetheless, the assertion would be factually correct.
I'm not sure downplaying the importance of a dry reservoir in this instance falls into the same category.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The reservoir wouldnt have made much of a difference. Folks have become hyper reactive and are looking for blame before looking for solutions, or thinking clearly. The folks who live in the California Coastal hills will forever fight these problems, because they live in a tinder box.
For someone who thinks he is the smartest man on the board, you say some really dumb stuff sometimes. You’ve become hyper reactive with stupid takes.
117 million gallons of water wouldn’t have made much difference? Okay, guy.
I guess thinning and raking the forests wouldn’t have mattered either. I guess redirecting water to save the smelt didn’t matter. I suppose hiring lesbian Kristen’s to head the LAFD didn’t matter. And I’m guessing you’ll tell me that building the reservoirs in general doesn’t matter.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 8:26 am
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:23 am to Penrod
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That is not valid because these were not “house fires”. These were forest fires that reached houses. You can’t save the house by just fighting the fire in the house. It will simply restart when the burning hillside catches it on fire again.
Idk that guy was basically putting out embers before the fire started. Just with his garden hose. Saved his and his neighbors house.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:26 am to dgnx6
A couple of weeks ago, every progressive on this site became a terrorism prevention expert overnight. This week, they are all fire prevention/extinguishing experts.
It really is amazing to watch them gobble up the media lies and then come here to defend their leaders and their constant failures.
It really is amazing to watch them gobble up the media lies and then come here to defend their leaders and their constant failures.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:33 am to Paddyshack
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For someone who thinks he is the smartest man on the board
Not my words, goober. There are just a lot of stupid people who post here that makes average people look like geniuses.
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117 million gallons of water wouldn’t have made much difference? Okay, guy.
Correct. It would have benefitted early on, but overall make verry little difference.
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A former LADWP official told ABC News that access to the reservoir may have helped early on in the firefight, but it would not have been enough to fight the fire.
"It could have made some difference in supporting the pressure loss early on, but it would not have lasted the whole fire," Martin Adams, who recently retired after 40 years of working at LADWP, most recently as General Manager, told ABC News.
"It might have helped for a little bit, but it wouldn't have been the be-all end-all," Adams said.
LINK
Its weird watching the little people flail trying to find more people to blame, and there is already plenty of legit shite to blame on govt officials. Like chapparal not cleared out....
We dont need to make more up.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
“It would have helped early on”, which is the most important time in stopping them from spreading. Thank you for proving my point.
No one said it was the “be-all end-all”
To say it wouldn’t have helped much to have 100+ million extra gallons of water is just dumb.
What are you even saying? The government officials are responsible for water reserves and making sure the reservoir is full.
No one said it was the “be-all end-all”
To say it wouldn’t have helped much to have 100+ million extra gallons of water is just dumb.
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Its weird watching the little people flail trying to find more people to blame, and there is already plenty of legit shite to blame on govt officials. Like chapparal not cleared out.... We dont need to make more up.
What are you even saying? The government officials are responsible for water reserves and making sure the reservoir is full.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:43 am to Paddyshack
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, which is the most important time in stopping them from spreading.
For a short while, then everything that burned would have still burned.
The issue is the same as its been for over 100 years, people living in areas people arent supposed to live
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:48 am to RFK
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Keep in mind this is an unprecedented wildfire coupled with Santa Anna winds of over 100mph.
Why is it unprecedented? Could it be mismanagement that makes it so because wildfire in Calif and Santa Anna winds are hardly unprecedented
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:51 am to Statestreet
That must be per minute. I don't see how 12 50 gallon water heaters could put out a 1800 sq ft house fire
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:52 am to Penrod
You are infinitely stupid
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:53 am to Penrod
This is a weird hill to die on and also a bad look. So on brand for you
Team “you don’t need water to fight fire”
Team “you don’t need water to fight fire”
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:58 am to DawgCountry
The empty fire hydrants didn't do much to help.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For a short while, then everything that burned would have still burned.
I am curious about your firefighting expertise. If the short while is at the early stages of the fire, it doesn't still burn/
BTW, I was a firefighter for 20 years
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:14 am to War Eagle 777
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I am curious about your firefighting expertise.
you dont need any, just common sense and the ability to read what people who manage water supplies tell you.
But you would rather cling to ignorance.
You could have had 100 reservoirs this size, and the tanks could not have kept up with the demand.
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Some of that demand would’ve been met by a 117 million-gallon reservoir complex in the Pacific Palisades, but it sat out of use for repairs as the fires in the Palisades began. Officials estimate that had the Santa Ynez Reservoir been online, it would’ve cut demand on the area’s water system from four times to three times as high as normal.
“You still would have ended up with serious drops in pressure,” former Department of Water and Power general manager Adams toldThe Los Angeles Times. “Would Santa Ynez [Reservoir] have helped? Yes, to some extent. Would it have saved the day? I don’t think so.”
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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you dont need any, just common sense and the ability to read what people who manage water supplies tell you.
But you would rather cling to ignorance.
Common sense would tell you that having 117 million extra gallons would have helped fight the fire. quote:
“Would Santa Ynez [Reservoir] have helped? Yes, to some extent. Would it have saved the day? I don’t think so.”
You keep posting these quotes that prove exactly what we are saying.
MAKE COMMON SENSE COMMON AGAIN
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For a short while, then everything that burned would have still burned.
That's not how fire works. Fire passes through the forest until it reaches houses. While the forest burns, if you can keep the houses from burning, the fire will burn out and move on. Those houses are saved until the next forest fire. You couldn't have stopped the forest fire or saved all the houses, but could have kept the fire from taking hold in many instances.
It's not all or nothing.
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