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re: 111,000+ Vaccine Breakthrough Cases Identified in US
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:57 pm to thingshavechanged
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:57 pm to thingshavechanged
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Over the last 3 months 97% of those hospitalized and 99% of deaths are from the unvaccinated
Cool. Let's do percentages. 99.8 percent survive a disease that, what, 10 percent will get? So getting the vaccine raises my survival chance to 99.9 and may or may not even decrease my chances of getting it? Yeah.. I'm good for now.
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Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:05 pm to thingshavechanged
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Pfizer, Moderna, the FDA, the CDC and the outside panel granting Authorization for Use all confirmed a 94% efficacy.
"confirmed" is a poor word choice. Suggested or postulated would be better. Most likely the CDC stated something like, "up to 94% effective..." based on some contingencies that would give them legalistic wiggle room if / when needed. So, your attempt to frame 94% as some hard fact is dubious at best.
Certainly, the vaccine does not appear to be living up to that level of efficacy in varying real world conditions. Nor did the CDC factor mutated virus strains in that number.
Unless you come up with better supporting data or arguments, your opinions don't seem nearly as reliable as you think they are.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:09 pm to epbart
There are 180m vaccinated individuals in the United States.
5% of that is 9 million.
The mRNA vaccines are estimated 80% effective vs delta.
20% of 180,000,000 is 36 million. And about 9m~ of the 180 are the shifty j&j.
100,000 breakthrough infections is quite unremarkable.
Call me when we’re 70% of the way through our allotment of 9,000,000 breakthrough infections and we’ll talk.
5% of that is 9 million.
The mRNA vaccines are estimated 80% effective vs delta.
20% of 180,000,000 is 36 million. And about 9m~ of the 180 are the shifty j&j.
100,000 breakthrough infections is quite unremarkable.
Call me when we’re 70% of the way through our allotment of 9,000,000 breakthrough infections and we’ll talk.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:20 pm to thingshavechanged
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Here's some real world statistics from the fire breathing liberals at the Texas Department of Health. Granted this is deaths, not cases--- but the data is clear on the benefits of the vaccines.
So, if they all drank water, water has an effective rate?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:22 pm to thingshavechanged
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No--just stating current statistics and pointing out that 111,000 breakthrough cases is not unexpected--in fact, to date better than the 94% standard.
You don't know what you're doing here. You're mathematically assuming everybody that's been exposed to the virus was exposed over the same period and to the same degree as vaccinations have ramped up. Also, you're assuming only confirmed cases = everybody that's had the virus. The CDC projects that well over 100 million Americans have had the virus.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:28 pm to thingshavechanged
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Over the last 3 months 97% of those hospitalized and 99% of deaths are from the unvaccinated. Even the Departments of Health in Texas and Florida--and the Republican Governors of Ohio and Arkansas-- confirm these numbers.
According to the Governor and State of Louisiana officials, the COVID cases in Louisiana in the last week were 90.4% unvaccinated/9.6% vaccinated.
Hospitalizations are currently 89.3% unvaccinated/10.7% vaccinated.
Deaths in the last week were 85% unvaccinated/15% vaccinated.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:31 pm to LSUJCC
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According to the Governor and State of Louisiana officials, the COVID cases in Louisiana in the last week were 90.4% unvaccinated/9.6% unvaccinated.
Hospitalizations are currently 89.3% unvaccinated/10.7% vaccinated.
Deaths in the last week were 85% unvaccinated/15% vaccinated.
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Yeah it doesn't answer the question. Its ignoring the fact that X% of the people had covid-19, survived covid, and now has antibodies.
What's the reinfection rate in Louisiana of covid patients? How many of them exist? Are they included in those numbers and to which bucket.
What happens if 99% of the people that were in the unvaxx'd group never had covid before and 99% of the people in the vaxx'd group did?
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:40 pm to thingshavechanged
quote:Don't engage. No changing his mind and he makes the a same argument ad nauseum. He likes UK, Israel and India numbers because they fit his narrative. He trusts that "raw" data but doubts anything from here. He is not worth the time.
The Clinical Trial results and data are available on the Internet.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:41 pm to Diamondawg
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Don't engage. No changing his mind and he makes the a same argument ad nauseum. He likes UK, Israel and India numbers because they fit his narrative. He trusts that "raw" data but doubts anything from here. He is not worth the time.
Actually, no, nobody is giving complete data, and not enough to account for prior infections. Most likely all those other countries are going to drop significantly.
What happens if 99% of the people being report or being hospitalized did not have a prior infection?
What happens if 99% of the people in the vax'd group had a prior infections, and only 1% of the people in the unvax'd group had prior infections?
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:49 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:You use them in every response. Treat them with the same dubious disdain that you do with everything else we see. How can you argue bad numbers with bad numbers?
Actually, no, nobody is giving complete data, and not enough to account for prior infections. Most likely all those other countries are going to drop significantly.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:50 pm to Diamondawg
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You use them in every response. Treat them with the same dubious disdain that you do with everything else we see. How can you argue bad numbers with bad numbers?
Heck, I take the numbers as true, but they don't show anything.
They all drank water, water must have an effective rate.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:55 pm to thingshavechanged
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Pfizer and Moderna both said their vaccines were 94% effective against being infected. 155 million in the U.S. have been fully vaccinated. 6% of 155 million would be 9.3 million breakthrough cases. To paraphrase Bob Uker "Just a little more than 111,000."
How many got it and never got tested?
Or are you going to take your ball and not play?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:57 pm to dgnx6
Why do so many trust the numbers put out by people that listed car accident as covid19 deaths?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:59 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:Ridiculous repetitive bullshite #641
They all drank water, water must have an effective rate.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:00 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Yeah it doesn't answer the question. Its ignoring the fact that X% of the people had covid-19, survived covid, and now has antibodies.
What's the reinfection rate in Louisiana of covid patients? How many of them exist? Are they included in those numbers and to which bucket.
What happens if 99% of the people that were in the unvaxx'd group never had covid before and 99% of the people in the vaxx'd group did?
I agree. I would like to see all of the data released.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:01 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
So weird how you root against President Trump
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:03 pm to omegaman66
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Why do so many trust the numbers put out by people that listed car accident as covid19 deaths?
You mean like the radical leftists at the Texas Department of State Health Services?
"Of the 8,787 people who have died in Texas due to COVID-19 since early February, at least 43 were fully vaccinated, the Texas Department of State Health Services said.
That means 99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated."
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:04 pm to Diamondawg
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Ridiculous repetitive bull shite #641
If you have a variable that you believe impacts your numbers greatly and you don't account for it... the numbers have no value.
People get covid, survive, are left with antibodies and other protections. Putting people in vax/unvax groups does not account for this the prior infections... is kind of weird to use as your metrics.
Not sure what there is to understand here.
All you are doing is trolling with nothing of value.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:05 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:So 90/10 unvaxxed/vaxxed hospitalized is a win for the vax. Finally, you admitted it.
Heck, I take the numbers as true, but they don't show anything.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:06 pm to Diamondawg
Without additional numbers it doesn't mean much, you don't know the prior infection numbers.
If the 10% vax, are all reinfections... and the 90% unvax are all initial infections. This could mean the vax has negative effective traits.
If they start tracking by the date, then it could show the people that have natural immunity protections are not showing up as reinfections... people on the jab 6 months or more are starting to be infected.
If the 10% vax, are all reinfections... and the 90% unvax are all initial infections. This could mean the vax has negative effective traits.
If they start tracking by the date, then it could show the people that have natural immunity protections are not showing up as reinfections... people on the jab 6 months or more are starting to be infected.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 7:14 pm
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