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re: You're Welcome Upper Terrebonne Parish--Barry related

Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:58 am to
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61428 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:58 am to
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Yes I sympathize with his and other camp owners losses, but it is laughable that he feels owed a thanks or compensation because a flood control project negatively impacted his camp. Not his home. His CAMP.

If you sympathize, how is it laughable.

What does it matter if it is his camp? It is his property, his investment.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:08 am to
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You purchased an asset in a flood plane.....now you have flooding and want to blame the severity of it on someone or something tangible like a man made levee? Shouldn't you just blame your own ignorance? America today lets blame someone else even though we knew it would flood. It was a worse flood than we thought so its something else's fault. GTFO.




Even if he bought the property before the projects were created.....everyone down there knew that once these projects began, the lower ends of the parish, outside of the levees were going to see more flooding....I've been hearing about if for years...those people chose to stay even after they knew the risk years ahead of time...
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38038 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:12 am to
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If you sympathize, how is it laughable.



cause I can feel bad for his misfortune. But I aint thanking him nor do I think hes owed for it.



quote:

What does it matter if it is his camp? It is his property, his investment


fair enough. But its not his main residence. He didn't lose his home. I'm not marginalizing his loss- at least that's not my intention. Its a camp on the coast. A weekend retreat in a risky environment- same as my brother's camp. Its a luxury item. I'm not gonna feel obligated to recognize it as if it was his home in town and hes ruined without it.
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
24162 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:18 am to
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But I aint thanking him nor do I think hes owed for it.


FTR, I don't think I deserve a thanks either. Sorry if it came across snarky.

quote:

Its a luxury item.


It's anything but. I would think that people on this board understand that fishing is a way of life for many people in LA.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:19 am to
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Motorboat


Where's your camp at baw? Dulac or Dularge?
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:32 am to
There is no way to stop the loss of coastal wetlands without restoring the mechanism which caused the land to be formed in the first place.

The marsh is going to continue to sink. The saltwater is going to continue it's northward progression. All the land will eventually be lost up to the levees.

The statement about the barrier islands migrating north is completely true. I wonder how long Grand Isle will be able to hold on as the open water behind the water continues to erode at a quick pace.

However I do not think it is up to the American tax payer to have to flip the bill to "compensate" someone for their purchases. Those areas were bound to flood due to the loss of marsh between them and the gulf. It was only a matter of time.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6978 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:42 am to
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I do not think it is up to the American tax payer to have to flip the bill to "compensate" someone for their purchases.


How do you feel about hair weaves, iphones, crablegs, tanks, spaceships, interstates, and pampers?
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:49 am to
I absolutely do not feel like we should have to pay for other people's hair weaves, I phones, crab legs,and pampers. It is called being responsible for one's self. National defense is necessary but you could probably cut their spending by 75% and we would be just as safe. NASA should be funded by private investors...............
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 11:52 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20843 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:58 am to
These projects weren't even a glint in its creator's mind 40+ yrs ago when my grandfather built his camp on 4point. Yes everyone knows a big enough storm and you are going to have issues. Now a strong south wind causes high water. There is a big difference when you say camp owners should have expected the consequences.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6978 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:05 pm to
Where do we draw the lines at subsidizing lifestyles? The government has created a subsection of society that chooses to live off the government dime. Motorboat chooses to have a camp south of the levees. I'd rather my tax dollar go to assisting camp owners that bought before the levees with elevating their camps than to fund the next generation of degenerates.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:05 pm to
The coastline was a lot different 40+ years.

I’m sure your grandfather has seen his fair share of floods down there in the past 40+ years
Posted by iseentit
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
3 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:09 pm to
We've had a camp on four point road since I was in college about 10 years ago so I feel conflicted on this topic. On one hand, I agree 100% that it's a camp and not a house and our group knew the risk when we bought it. On the other hand, even in Cat 1-2 storms in the past before the levee, we would get maybe 2 feet beneath the camp and we got about 6 feet from TS Barry. I'm no engineer but that flooding was 100% due to the levee.

I get that the line is gonna have to be drawn somewhere and don't expect compensation from anyone but I also don't think that we should have to pay the same property taxes as the guy just north of the levee when we flood and his camp doesn't.

And for the person who asked earlier, we drove down Sunday and the marina at the end of four point is basically just bare studs now. Still has a roof but the lower halves of the outside walls are totally gone.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20843 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:13 pm to
That's not my point, it is a stupid argument to say camp owner should have expected XYZ because things have drastically changed so much since then. A lot of individuals act like everyone built these camps knowing a south wind would flood these areas. They are built knowing and accepting the fact that hurricanes can and will cause damage. No one would build in a place knowing it will flood if there is a couple consecutive days of south wind.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:14 pm to
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I'm no engineer but that flooding was 100% due to the levee.


Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:19 pm to
" I'd rather my tax dollar go to assisting camp owners that bought before the levees with elevating their camps than to fund the next generation of degenerates"

I would rather my tax money stay with me. Why do I have to choose between two bad options?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20843 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:22 pm to
Yes the water is substantially worse since the levee.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38038 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:22 pm to
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FTR, I don't think I deserve a thanks either. Sorry if it came across snarky.



same to you Boat. I don't mean to be a dick when you are facing the type of situation. I really do feel for you with this.


but I aint paying for it.


FTR, my parent's home is on Bayou Blue Road. That will eventually be my inheritance. So, yeah, thanks for taking it in the shorts, cause I'd like to turn that land into a nice real estate deal at some point. Preferably not water front property.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:25 pm to
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A lot of individuals act like everyone built these camps knowing a south wind would flood these areas. They are built knowing and accepting the fact that hurricanes can and will cause damage. No one would build in a place knowing it will flood if there is a couple consecutive days of south wind.


This last system was more than just a South Wind. You’re acting like it floods everytime their is a Sourh Wind.


This was the first and only time the complete Terrebonne Parish flood protection was closed down and it was tested and worked.

Lower Terrebonne was right in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most of the surge went right up Terrebonne.

Quit acting like 4 Point floods everytime the wind blows out of the south

Posted by finfeathersport
Member since Jan 2013
302 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:31 pm to
I am in the same situation being South of the Levee. We have had a camp in Cocodrie for 30 years. Long- Long Before levees were a thought

Never once did I have an issue with use or functionality of the camp with a strong south Wind till the levee was built. To say the levees haven't caused everyone South of the Levees issues would be a lie. We spent 30K last year dealing with the affects of the Levees and trying to make sure we can enjoy our place when the wind does blow and not stand in 6" of water. Writing those checks sucked!

Yes land loss, erosion, marsh sinking is inevitable, but the installation of the levees accelerated that 1000x. That said yes there would have probably be a day my camp is gone and I am prepared for that day but because of these levees this day will probably come much sooner.

Should the camp, home and business owners have been compensated for the issues with daily operations or accelerated loss of use - That's a whole another level, that I am not debating on the internet!

Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38038 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:35 pm to
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I would think that people on this board understand that fishing is a way of life for many people in LA



its a way of life for you? Are you a guide? A commercial fisherman? If so and the camp is your primary residence I may have more empathy. But if this is just a place for you to pursue your passion/hobby, than...
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