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re: Wyoming hunting guide fatally mauled by grizzly bears
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:08 pm to VernonPLSUfan
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:08 pm to VernonPLSUfan
Yup, the story doesn't make any sense.
The guide had no bear spray or firearm?
The only firearm was a glock that the client had?
The client left for florida immediately?
The guide had no bear spray or firearm?
The only firearm was a glock that the client had?
The client left for florida immediately?
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Anyways, they find it Friday morning and start field dressing it and are attacked unknowingly by the bears, is how i read it, not that they made the bears leave the kill and were attacked either in the process or later on.
i didnt say that, but i see how i could have been misunderstood. it would only make sense for the mother to attack the two men like that if she was defending the kill, but i doubt she was actively on the carcass when they arrived
i guess it could also have been a defense of her cub, but nothing in the article or the interview says that. in any event, in either case, they were doing what bears do and did not deserve to be destroyed
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:14 pm to kengel2
Sounds to me like the client went full retard and ran away instead of helping the guy.
It would surprise me if the guide didn't have his own pistol on him. But it sounds like they were on horseback. He probably had a rifle or shotgun on his horse. He very well may have walked away to take a leak or who knows what, and in that short span of being away from his gun is when they were attacked.
Definitely very odd that the client flew home Saturday and that authorities let him fly home so soon.
It would surprise me if the guide didn't have his own pistol on him. But it sounds like they were on horseback. He probably had a rifle or shotgun on his horse. He very well may have walked away to take a leak or who knows what, and in that short span of being away from his gun is when they were attacked.
Definitely very odd that the client flew home Saturday and that authorities let him fly home so soon.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:16 pm to cgrand
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in any event, in either case, they were doing what bears do and did not deserve to be destroyed
I understand where you are coming from, but I'm sorry you simply don't let a wild animal that killed a human live. Its proven that animals that have human encounters are more likely to do it again.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:23 pm to baldona
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Its proven that animals that have human encounters are more likely to do it again.
would these bears have searched out a human victim if they'd not come upon the two men that day? if that's not the case, then why would they be more likely to do that afterwards?
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
Serious question: how do you defend yourself from prosecution in the situation a grizz walks up on you and you kill it? What’s the likelihood, even in a legit case, that you’ll be incriminated?
What do you care? Would you rather live? We have pepper spray and guns, one time I accidentally left my spray and we drove back to the camp delaying our hunt by an hour.
There is something very fishy about that story, especially the part "I couldn't shoot the bear, so I threw it to the guy getting mauled...
What do you care? Would you rather live? We have pepper spray and guns, one time I accidentally left my spray and we drove back to the camp delaying our hunt by an hour.
There is something very fishy about that story, especially the part "I couldn't shoot the bear, so I threw it to the guy getting mauled...
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:02 pm to ecb
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especially the part "I couldn't shoot the bear, so I threw it to the guy getting mauled...
That reads to me like he was scared and hauled arse but threw the gun to the guide while he was hightailing it out of there
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:03 pm to cgrand
I am sorry, but a dangerous animal that kills a human needs to be killed, regardless of the circumstances. None of us were there. This mindset of defending bears,alligators, cougars, etc, when they attack is hard to comprehend. We will have to respectfully disagree. I do feel that these animals must be hunted to re-educate them to avoid humans as much as possible.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:03 pm to ecb
Of course I’d rather live. I’m just curious how often it happens where justified cases of self defense occur vs those who are outlaws.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:13 pm to dwr353
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I am sorry, but a dangerous animal that kills a human needs to be killed, regardless of the circumstances
why? what does that do for the human killed or his family?
do the bears need to be "punished"?
how is that a deterrent to future attacks?
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This mindset of defending bears,alligators, cougars, etc, when they attack is hard to comprehend.
human enters the uncontrolled environment of a predator; human gets predated...it's nature's way and the predator in question has no need or use for any "defense"
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:17 pm to cgrand
"Deterrent to future attacks"? If they are dead they will not do it again. Do you consider animals the equal of humans?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:26 pm to dwr353
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If they are dead they will not do it again
no, those particular animals will not do it again, you're right. thats not what deterrent means however
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Do you consider animals the equal of humans?
do you not recognize that humans are, in fact, animals?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:30 pm to cgrand
Humans are obviously animals. You have not answered my question.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The bears “aggressively charged” the men and didn’t touch the dead elk, Teton County officials said.
This seems very odd to me
I caught that part as well.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 8:09 pm to cgrand
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how is that a deterrent to future attacks?
odd as this might sound to you, bears are no different than any other animal in the sense that they have their own distinct personality/temperament within the instincts of their species.. due to this, if you find a bear that may be prone to being more aggressive than most other bears, you make an effort to remove that bear from the gene pool..
Therefore you kill it...
Posted on 9/17/18 at 8:51 pm to klrstix
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Wyoming Game and Fish is reporting this morning that upon investigation of the attack site, there was a fully expended can of bear spray. DO NOT RELY ON BEAR SPRAY! Never, ever, never. This bear came through he spray and mauled on hunter and killed the guide. When Game & Fish officials were stepping out the attack site, one of the grizzlies charged the party and guess what Game & Fish had? Heavy firearms! The grizzly was immediately SHOT. No bear spray for these game wardens....
Comment from one of the articles. Would have been around noon today.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:00 pm to klrstix
Griz hasn’t been hunted in the lower 48 for around 40 years. Plenty have been killed by game and fish for getting into livestock, etc. A Griz Hunt is supposed to take place in Wyoming this year as well as Idaho. An Obama appointed judge has stopped it. These bears have never been hunted and don’t know that man means trouble. A hunt would help them fear man.
For the poster having trouble with why they killed the bears, it’s because they’ve tasted human flesh. They very well might want to again. There are a lot of people in that back country over a summer and fall. Steps must be taken so they survive it. My son roams that country a good bit, as well as several other friends. I’d rather they not get attacked by a problem Griz.
For the poster having trouble with why they killed the bears, it’s because they’ve tasted human flesh. They very well might want to again. There are a lot of people in that back country over a summer and fall. Steps must be taken so they survive it. My son roams that country a good bit, as well as several other friends. I’d rather they not get attacked by a problem Griz.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:01 pm to dwr353
I’m for killing them if for nothing else to remove some from the population which should be happening by hunters but they won’t let them.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:05 pm to 257WBY
We sit in our chair and pick the survivor apart. Remember that if he attempts to shoot the attacking bear, he might also shoot the guide. It’s happened before. And we can all say we’d do this or that. But we never really know until we’re put in that situation.
Bad deal all the way around. Be sure to read article about the other recent attack I posted earlier. That country is thick with Griz.
Bad deal all the way around. Be sure to read article about the other recent attack I posted earlier. That country is thick with Griz.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 9:12 pm to 257WBY
We pick apart the survivor because the story doesnt make sense. The comments of most of the news articles are filled with locals that knew the guide and they punch a ton of holes in the story.
There is an entire article the survivor has already said was false.
Why did he leave within a day of the attack before the guide was even found? Sure he didnt "know" the guide, but the pictures of the survivors injuries arent shite. He doesnt even have stitches. They havent found the pistol he said he threw to the guide, its not like the bear took it and ran.
ETA: If the dude straight ran and did nothing when the bear attacked he should just come outright and say it. Dont make up this brave story about throwing the guide a pistol and then run away to florida. The guides family deserves to know what actually happened.
There is an entire article the survivor has already said was false.
Why did he leave within a day of the attack before the guide was even found? Sure he didnt "know" the guide, but the pictures of the survivors injuries arent shite. He doesnt even have stitches. They havent found the pistol he said he threw to the guide, its not like the bear took it and ran.
ETA: If the dude straight ran and did nothing when the bear attacked he should just come outright and say it. Dont make up this brave story about throwing the guide a pistol and then run away to florida. The guides family deserves to know what actually happened.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 9:14 pm
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