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re: Wounded Warrior Program
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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So what happened to the other 245 or so million?
That goes to taking guys like me, an actual wounded warrior fishing and hunting all year long, as well as all expense paid 3 day ski weekends with my family.
The 27 mil on combat stress recovery is recovery done in a clinical setting. Getting to go fish with my brothers is a hell of alot more beneficial to me than talking to anyone. They also help our families learn how to deal with us now, because none of us come back the same. That is a very short sighted article, and i can tell you that tens if not hundreds of thousands of us benefit from this. They are the most attacked vet organization because they are the most visible.
Now go out there and find me a 300m $ a year company who pays their ceo less than 500k. Seriously. Think about that.
The logistics required to put on the thousands of events they put on for us each year is mind boggling.
I know vets who read articles like that and feel the same way as ya'll. But they don't understand the benefits provided either.
This disabled veteran thinks they are great.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:48 am to PapaZulu
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Now go out there and find me a 300m $ a year company who pays their ceo less than 500k. Seriously. Think about that.
To me , that is not the issue. the issue is...
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Millette said he witnessed lavish spending on staff, with big “catered” parties.
"Going to a nice fancy restaurant is not team building. Staying at a lavish hotel at the beach here in Jacksonville, and requiring staff that lives in the area to stay at the hotel is not team building," he told CBS News.
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About 500 staff members attended the four-day conference in Colorado, which CBS News reported cost about $3 million.
I'm glad the WW do help, but with this much overhead, it's hard for me to write them donation checks.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:55 am to mrs evil cockroach
Agreed msecr.
I started asking around several years back about families that needed real help with clothes, etc., around Christmas, buying stuff and giving directly to them, instead of a 'charity' org. That way, I know that it goes to who it's intended to. Might start doing that with wounded vets, somehow.??.
I started asking around several years back about families that needed real help with clothes, etc., around Christmas, buying stuff and giving directly to them, instead of a 'charity' org. That way, I know that it goes to who it's intended to. Might start doing that with wounded vets, somehow.??.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:07 am to Ole Geauxt
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Might start doing that with wounded vets, somehow.??.
Since you put that quote in question marks, I have a friend that I went to high school with from Monroe (Air Force Vet) that does wounded warrior hunts and other events in the area. I can get you a contact # if you are serious.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:18 am to MWP
Email it to me. I'll probly contact him, at least hear what he has to say, and the options. 
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:32 am to Ole Geauxt
Im not saying the Wounded Warrior Program does not do some good work. I am sure they do and I am sure that is appreciated by the Wounded Warriors who do get to participate. But the group that started Wounded War Heroes did so because they knew how much administrative money was wasted by WW. The goal of Wounded War Heroes was to make sure that the maximum amount of money was spent on the Wounded heroes and the least amount spent on admin, etc. When we go on a hunt as "guides", we pay our own way, at our own expense. That is not what happens with WW. So now the amount of waste for admin, etc of WW is coming out into the open, which mirrors what I was told and what I have seen with my own eyes.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:03 am to dawg23
I don't like the fact they don't help veterans before 9/11 and I'm a post 9/11 veteran. For example, its well known the Vietnam vets suffer PTSD also. It was actually the Vietnam vets that fought so hard to get PTSD recognized for the future veterans so we wouldn't have to deal with what they had to deal with. The VA and many other veteran resources would still be in shambles if it weren't for them and they get nothing from WWs. Something isn't right about that.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:09 am to dawg23
Eh, you have to look at the big picture. $26 mil on "parties, conventions, meetings, and conferences" can be vague. They use those events to raise more funds, so I won't rush to judgement.
Also, you only mentioned one aspect - "combat stress recovery programs". They likely spend funds on many other programs for vets.
Also, you only mentioned one aspect - "combat stress recovery programs". They likely spend funds on many other programs for vets.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:49 am to upgrayedd
We have someone on the OB who provides wheelchairs for disabled vets. I was going to give him a donation this year but with events happening in December I had to turn over our donation to my father in law. I hope we do it again this year because he will get my money.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:49 am to upgrayedd
This is terrible. I ran the Tough Mudder a couple of years ago. WW runs this and they are making a killing with these events across the country. This is shameful.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:04 am to dawg23
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WW received $300 million in donations.
Spent only $27.9 million on combat stress recovery programs.
Spent over $26 million on parties, conventions, meetings & conferences.
CEO's salary was $473,000
Top 10 Execs total salaries were $2.6 million
Totally unacceptable and shameful.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:17 am to PapaZulu
Exactly. Say they spend $50 MM per year on events, and salaries for really smart people, and both help yield the excess 250 MM in profit (that is used to help vets out). I would say someone knows what they are doing, and is getting a fantastic ROI. A CEO of a similar organization would probably make 10-15 MM per year.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:49 am to dawg23
I have supported WWP for years and will likely continue. I'm watching their administrative expenses and, as the charity has grown, it has understandably gone up. I'm also watching their stance on guns. To this point, I'm satisfied with the explanations they've given.
Keep in mind, this war is between the charities for what they consider a shrinking pie in a weak economy. So, this is other veteran's organizations who are leaking/highlighting this. My father was a sucker for PVA - but they spend 2/3 of their budget on fundraising - almost not worth the effort, IMHO.
On the other hand, WWP spends 60% on programs, about 1/3 on fundraising and 6% on administrative expenses. This is not "outstanding" but certainly in the ballpark. I'd like administrative expenses to get below 5%. I'd like fundraising to get below 25%. This is still a young charity, though, and doesn't have the decades that the American Red Cross and DAV have. And I like their priorities (so far).
Keep in mind, this war is between the charities for what they consider a shrinking pie in a weak economy. So, this is other veteran's organizations who are leaking/highlighting this. My father was a sucker for PVA - but they spend 2/3 of their budget on fundraising - almost not worth the effort, IMHO.
On the other hand, WWP spends 60% on programs, about 1/3 on fundraising and 6% on administrative expenses. This is not "outstanding" but certainly in the ballpark. I'd like administrative expenses to get below 5%. I'd like fundraising to get below 25%. This is still a young charity, though, and doesn't have the decades that the American Red Cross and DAV have. And I like their priorities (so far).
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:58 am to Ace Midnight
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WWP spends 60% on programs
Says they spent 148.6 million on programs for fiscal year 2014. So the 25 million number in the op's article is highly misleading
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:02 pm to NYCAuburn
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So the 25 million number in the op's article is highly misleading
It appears that whoever it is that launched this attack wants you to focus on the spending of that 1 specific program versus the spending on conferences.
I'm using Charity Navigator as a source, BTW.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:06 pm to Ole Geauxt
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buying stuff and giving directly to them
You got the right idea, OG. Not only do you know that the people you want to help receives it directly, but to me, being able to share that experience with people in need is just as important as what you are giving. (Especially if you have kids and they take part of it) Several years ago, I knew of a guy in the Army that was deployed overseas for 6 months leaving behind his wife and two young children. So I approached him and told him I would take care of his yard work when he was away. He really appreciated it, but I did also. My son helped every time and hopefully he learned something.
That being said, I still think it is important to also give to other charities since their reach can be far greater than an individual.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:20 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Add to that their anti second amendment stance and I don't see how anyone supports them.
They are very anti gun.
link?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:33 pm to ctiger69
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This is terrible. I ran the Tough Mudder a couple of years ago. WW runs this and they are making a killing with these events across the country. This is shameful.
You have to spend money to make it. That's how big charities and businesses work. I'm sure they spend millions on commercials but that, in turn, brings funds in. It's not really rocket science.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:36 pm to tigerinthebueche
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link?
A lot of gun advocates make this claim, with varying degrees of support.
I'll just link their statement from last year to contradict the "very anti-gun" portion alleged in this thread.
WWP asks POTUS to reconsider gun restrictions
Obviously it is difficult to accuse an organization of being "very" anti-gun if they take such a relatively strong public position like this.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:37 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:You probably know more about this than I do, but two other major charities that help war veterans sure seem to have a much better ratio:
On the other hand, WWP spends 60% on programs, .......... This is not "outstanding" but certainly in the ballpark.
* Disabled American Veterans: 96%
* Fisher House: 91%
* Wounded Warrior: 60%
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