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Wood expansion question

Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:58 pm
Posted by LSUfreak1459
Member since Feb 2008
840 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:58 pm
I'm building a table out of walnut. It's going to have braces at the bottom. I would like to recess a 1x4 brace into a 3x3 leg. Is this ok to do? or could it goes problems down the road. Worried about wood expansion.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45810 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 4:20 pm to
Wood will shrink or expand depending on the moisture level when built and the moisture level where the table is used. If the wood has been dried and you store it inside it will be stable and should not expand or contract. If you build with green wood, it will shrink as it dries over a long a year or two until the wood stabilizes
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 4:47 pm to
What wick said. Do you know the moisture of the wood? In these parts, between 7-8% is good.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17319 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 4:51 pm to
Are you saying you’re planning to mortise the 1x4 into the leg?
Posted by LSUfreak1459
Member since Feb 2008
840 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 5:11 pm to
It was kiln dried. It’s not green but I’m not sure the moisture content. Haven’t picked it up yet but I’ll check it. Not a mortis and tenon joint. The picture he showed me had the brace screwed to the outside of the leg. But he wants it recessed into the leg. See the link for an example. Table
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17319 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 5:27 pm to
I see what you mean. I think it would be fine. If you’re really worried about it, trim the notch just so that it doesn’t take much force to put the 1x4 in. Not loose, just to where you don’t have to hit it with a mallet to get it set. KD wood is more likely to shrink than anything though, like wick said.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

I think it would be fine.
This.

I've built a lot out of pine that wasn't as dry as i'd have liked, and after several years there is no real noticeable separation. Plus, that style of furniture isn't perfect to begin with.

I would be more leary if i was building something more traditional with precise joints.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30304 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:09 pm to
quote:

KD wood is more likely to shrink than anything though, like wick said.



Any wood not already at equilibrium will be more likely to shrink if you're using it indoors in an air conditioned environment. KD wood less so than air dried wood. It all depends on the relative humidity of the air indoors vs the moisture content of the wood. Ideally, you let your wood come to equilibrium in the room it will be in as a finished product. Often that is not achievable in reality.

Here is a good article on wood shrinkage. https://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2010/09/03/moisture-content-wood-movement/

Here is a good graphic from that article.




ETA: Relative Humidity in your house (assuming AC) will likely be 30-50%, probably closer to 50 than 30 most times unless you live in an arid region.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:22 pm to
Using a vinyl sealer will help, but all wood moves. It’s the nature of the beast.
Posted by Ppro
natchez
Member since Dec 2013
416 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:18 pm to
walnut is a very stable wood to work with. remember both pieces will be shrinking and swelling. all things considered I would think with a good finish especially on the end grain you should have little problem for inside furniture
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21924 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

Relative Humidity



Wrong, relative humidity is the sweat that rolls off a Bama fans balls when hes banging his cousin.


Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30304 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 7:31 am to
quote:

quote:

Relative Humidity




Wrong, relative humidity is the sweat that rolls off a Bama fans balls when hes banging his cousin.







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