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re: What are the pros and cons of 6.5 creedmore
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:46 am to CamdenTiger
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:46 am to CamdenTiger
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PRC in 6.5 is a deer killing machine, but the creedmoor while a tack driver just doesn’t seem to kill deer as well
Sounds like some people need to practice more. There isn't much real difference between them.
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:54 am to oleyeller
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I used 2 different types of ammo, both in which were intended for deer, not target shooting.
Deer on the box usually means pointed soft points, and in my opinion that’s where a lot of the cripplemore stuff comes from in the south, aside from the use of match bullets. May be a decent hit and expansion, but at lower velocity you’re not gonna get reliable exits that bleed. Leave a single lung intact on a quartering shot and the deer may run for half a mile with no blood, never to be found. A bonded bullet or copper is going to penetrate deeper and exit. Both deer will be just as dead, one will just be in the freezer while the other is coyote food. I load 140gr accubonds for the 7mm08 our household and it has been outstanding at similar velocities to what a CM would do.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:01 am to Citica8
You can get a box of 257 WBY for around $70
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:02 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Accubond is the best bullet out there.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:33 am to Clames
quote:This is my opinion, based on my 30 years hunting experience, the article I pulled the charts from is.... his opinion
That's not true at all. In fact the article you pulled those charts from stated:
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Indeed, a good rifle chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor is a great gift for a hunter who is just getting started.
It is my opinion, the best choice for a beginner/inexperienced hunter is a 30 cal. and never shoot further than 125 yards. Is that what I did? Nope. I shot that spike with a 243 right in the arse, fortunately he dropped right there. Is that what I did with my kid? Sure isn't, we went out there with that 243 and shot us a doe that didn't bleed a drop, but found her anyway. This is part of the reason I have this opinion.
30-30, 350 Legend, 360 Buckhammer (which also checks off the cool name) are all in the same felt recoil range as 243, 6.5CM, and 7mm-08 and would be great for a kid starting off with the shakes, less refined fine motor skills, and knowledge. As a bonus, they can use them their entire life and pass them down. 7mm-08 is a great gun for whitetails, but maybe not the best for kids, teens after they've knocked down a few, and start stretching out to 150-200yard shots, absolutely.
6.5CM and 243 in the hands of the right person is lethal, 100% of the time. I have all of the confidence that I could go kill a deer with my youth model 243 this evening, I don't have the same confidence with my 10 year old, who killed with it last year.
quote:No argument here, but they are not superior long range deer hunting guns that completely changed the game.
the difference between the on paper performance is still pretty small
I don't hate them, I look forward to seeing if I can pick up a badass used one when people get frustrated with them, because they don't know what they are doing.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:53 am to LChama
I've never been much of a deer hunter, but I've killed a few. I only own two hunting rifles, an old Winchester 94 lever action 30-30, and a Savage Axis II in 6.5 creedmoor. I've killed two deer with the 30-30, both dropped dead on the spot. I've killed five with the 6.5 creedmoor, four out of the five dropped dead on the spot, one ran about 30 yards then dropped dead. I shoot Hornady Interlock American Whitetail 129g.
So for those of you talking all that shite about the 6.5 creedmoor, either yall are horrible shots, or the people that yall have spoke with saying all the negative shite about this caliber are horrible shots, because if someone not all that experienced at deer hunting like myself can drop every deer hes shot with a 6.5 creedmoor without having to track a single one, then anyone should be able to.
So for those of you talking all that shite about the 6.5 creedmoor, either yall are horrible shots, or the people that yall have spoke with saying all the negative shite about this caliber are horrible shots, because if someone not all that experienced at deer hunting like myself can drop every deer hes shot with a 6.5 creedmoor without having to track a single one, then anyone should be able to.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:54 am to Citica8
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I have all of the confidence that I could go kill a deer with my youth model 243 this evening, I don't have the same confidence with my 10 year old, who killed with it last year.
where on the deer do you think he could hit it with something in .30 cal that would kill it that would fail to kill it if hit with the .243?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:57 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Ive had excellent results in 6.5x55 from 139gr soft points to 160gr soft points. Currently in love with 155gr lapua mega. They all work though. Ive killed more with 140gr core lockts than anything else and never had one stop in the deer. That's one of the great things about high sectional density and moderate speed. It's not hard on bullets and they will almost always expand and exit with boring consistency. Premium stuff works as well but, but the cheapest stuff you can find will work fine as well. I was using ppu 139gr soft points for a while. Work fine.
150gr+ round nose soft points is where it's at in this realm.
150gr+ round nose soft points is where it's at in this realm.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:00 am to ccard257
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where on the deer do you think he could hit it with something in .30 cal that would kill it that would fail to kill it if hit with the .243?
That isn't the concern. You can make the exact same comparison with .22 magnum vs .338 norma. Killing it is no concern. Hit a deer anywhere in the front half with any centerfire rifle and any bullet at any range and its likely going to die pretty quickly. Recovering it is the concern. You can come up with lots of scenarios where a .308 will exit reliably and a .243 will not.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:15 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
ive shot half a dozen with the creedmore and they dont instantly drop but none went further than 50 yards
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:21 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
the poster I responded to said kill.
And I question the recovery/exit aspect. While I don't think it's a complete non-issue I do think it's overblown. I think reliable exits are much more of a function of proper bullet/speed selection combined with shot selection/placement than bullet diameter. I've shot a bunch of stuff and only remember recovering one bullet. That was a 150gr accubond from an elk that was quartering very hard towards. I also had one deer get up and run off without leaving a blood trail that I did not recover. Although the rain didn't help my recovery efforts, it was 100% a bad shot on my part (unfortunately it was with a .30-06 so I can't blame the cartridge).
I think the vast majority of non-recovered deer that get blamed on lack of blood trail/pass through are poorly placed shots into guts/backstraps/briskets/etc. that another .5mm of diameter wouldn't have done anything for.
And I question the recovery/exit aspect. While I don't think it's a complete non-issue I do think it's overblown. I think reliable exits are much more of a function of proper bullet/speed selection combined with shot selection/placement than bullet diameter. I've shot a bunch of stuff and only remember recovering one bullet. That was a 150gr accubond from an elk that was quartering very hard towards. I also had one deer get up and run off without leaving a blood trail that I did not recover. Although the rain didn't help my recovery efforts, it was 100% a bad shot on my part (unfortunately it was with a .30-06 so I can't blame the cartridge).
I think the vast majority of non-recovered deer that get blamed on lack of blood trail/pass through are poorly placed shots into guts/backstraps/briskets/etc. that another .5mm of diameter wouldn't have done anything for.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:24 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Premium stuff works as well but, but the cheapest stuff you can find will work fine as well.
Not to give you too much credit, but I suspect you’re waiting for and putting a better shot on the deer than your average shaky 12 year old or 20-something that’s had a couple white cans in the stand. It’s on the margins where this stuff matters, liver hit, clipping one lung, etc. I shoot norma whitetail in both my 270s because they were all I could find in 2020, are cheap enough to practice with, shoot half minute out of both guns, and I stockpiled them. They’re a run of the mill psp and they do just fine, but I am letting them get good and broadside and usually 30-40 yards into a field. Good hit and they may stumble just past the tree line, assuming they don’t fall right there. Coinflip if they’re going to exit, but I can stay in the scope and watch them knowing I at least double lunged if not heart shot. For rut sitting lanes in cutover I got the accubonds or trophy bonded on deck.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:27 am to CamdenTiger
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but the creedmoor while a tack driver just doesn’t seem to kill deer as well. I’m sure it’s the bullets used, but it’s by far the worst performing caliber in our camp. The cripplemoor joke is spot on, and said very often in camp, and it’s kind of funny that year after year, it lives up to its name…
Sounds to me like yall don't know how to select the correct ammo or place a shot. But hey, not everyone is cut out to be good hunters.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:38 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You can come up with lots of scenarios where a .308 will exit reliably and a .243 will not.
You telling me an 80gr Barnes TTSX out of a 243 won't exit a deer broadside?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:44 am to saintsfan1977
My Kids were shooting a youth 243 that was passed down,, Gun could drive tacks. just doesnt leave a blood trail. Double lung, behind the front shoulder, hell through the front should it didnt matter very little blood if any... If it doesnt break the back, its going to be a tough track.
My son saw that and started shooting a full size 270 at 10 and my daughter is moving up after this year at 12. She shot a doe this year in the perfect spot behind front shoulder, and I struggled to find the entry and the exit wound was size of a nickel. No blood.. deer went 50 yard in woods, just happen to stumble on it..
I want a blood trail if the shot is good.. You dont get that with 243 and have similar experience tracking behind 6.5's
My son saw that and started shooting a full size 270 at 10 and my daughter is moving up after this year at 12. She shot a doe this year in the perfect spot behind front shoulder, and I struggled to find the entry and the exit wound was size of a nickel. No blood.. deer went 50 yard in woods, just happen to stumble on it..
I want a blood trail if the shot is good.. You dont get that with 243 and have similar experience tracking behind 6.5's
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:48 am to ccard257
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where on the deer do you think he could hit it with something in .30 cal that would kill it that would fail to kill it if hit with the .243?
To dumb down what downshift said, bigger hole, more blood on ground, which makes it easier to find.
A 30-30, 350 legend, and 360 buckhammer are big slow bullets best suited for closer range (inside 125 yards).
If you were trying to go take out a telephone pole, would you rather hit it at 150mph with a crotch rocket or 55mph with an 18 wheeler?
(ETA) They are also great for low recoil.
350 legend - 7lbs
30-30 - 10lbs
360 Buckhammer - 14lbs.
By comparison for the goto youth guns
243 - 8lbs
6.5CM - 12lbs
7mm08 - 15lbs.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:07 am to finfeathersport
I want a blood trail if the shot is good.. You dont get that with 243 and have similar experience tracking behind 6.5's
Im willing to bet you will with an 80gr Barnes.
I've been shooting Barnes bullets for over a decade. They work.
Im willing to bet you will with an 80gr Barnes.
I've been shooting Barnes bullets for over a decade. They work.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:08 am to LChama
Just by a damn .308
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:11 am to mcpotiger
308 is a great answer to nearly every deer hunting situation in the Deep South.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:12 am to mcpotiger
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Just by a damn .308
Thats what my kid shoots. 130gr TTSX. He has killed 5 deer with it, including a 235lb buck last week that was DRT. Never had to track more than about 20yds.
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