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re: True value: high end reels vs $100 combos
Posted on 4/26/20 at 7:43 am to johnnyrocket
Posted on 4/26/20 at 7:43 am to johnnyrocket
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As far as flex coat I use that or Pro Kote just because Mudhole has it.
What’s the up front cost for rod building? Are there any special tools/jigs you need?
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Posted on 4/26/20 at 8:57 am to CharlesLSU
I’ve had 2 or 3 Shimano Calcuttas shite the bed on me.
The cheaper Shimano Curados have been bulletproof for me though.
The cheaper Shimano Curados have been bulletproof for me though.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 9:18 am to Flats
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What’s the up front cost for rod building? Are there any special tools/jigs you need?
A rod wrapper not necessary but it sure makes it a whole lot easier as does a motor to spin the rod when applying the flex coat and drying.
I've built a bunch of rods over the years. Most were fly rods. Everything from Loomis and Sage blanks. My favorite were St Croix (at the time Legend Ultra I think) for the price. They felt almost as good to me as the Sage or Loomis for way less (at the time).
I do have a couple of Sage saltwater fly rods that I'd never sell. They are extremely built up, I have titanium cermet guides (all of them) and titanium reel seats on them. If you were to try and buy either of those rods they would be probably $1200 by a custom builder. I love them.
I've never been one to go cheap. I think most of the time a more expensive will last better that something cheap.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 9:38 pm to Flats
You can get as fancy as you want.
I don’t need a special tool to mark my rod spline etc.
I use plain black thread with lime green trim wrap. Two threads size A all I keep. The fancier you go the more it cost. Thread $4.95 or less with UV protection in size A.
I started with wooden Flex coat set $50 with dryer motor. Now I got a CRB set $60 plus $13 for CRB drying motor.
Give you a break down now some people get fancy and get more tools.
Over the years I built and fixed many rods especially broken guides on my favorite rods.
$60 give or take for CRB rod tying station
$13 for dryer motor put on one of my stands
$5 made my chuck for dryer motor out of pvc ($13 for crb one) holds rod butt to turn the rod
$13 epoxy give or take for thread
$8 epoxy for rod handle
$7 for misc tools small scissor, bull nose tool, and some misc tool kit
$2 for small paint brushes put epoxy on
$1.50 China marker to mark where put guides, reel seat, and mark the spline.
$2 rod tip glue
$4.95 black thread size A do not need thread color preservative like old days it in the thread
$2.00 cheap cat toy lazer which I use when playing with my cats to line up guides.
Basic rod cost depends on blank and level of materials.
Cost of a Spinning rod I’m building this week.
Mudhole free shipping over $50 which usually more. I have bought much from them in awhile.
You have a local guy in Houma, LA that a real great rod builder that sells supplies, rod blanks, does classes, and builds rods. I think the company name is Swampland Tackle and guys name is Lance Dupre. His works is top notch and seen his work on a rod building website.
This is an avg cost for a spinning rod I am doing now.
Cost minus thread and epoxy ($90.95 for this rod).
I like the feel and it been durable for me.
Have one similar action that 8 yrs old only changed one guide which were Fuji back then.
Blank $41 on sale
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Great for Walleye, Smallmouth, and Largemouth.
7'0" | 6-12 lb. | 3/16 - 5/8 oz. | Fast Action | Medium Power | 5.5 Tip | 0.520 Butt | Gloss Black
Guides using CRB elites $19
(You can go cheaper or a lot more expensive. These work for me as the feet are pre ground to help the thread slip on easier)
Kit comes with hook keeper
Tip $2.95
Reel seat $9.00
Front back grip & butt Eva $11
Winding checks $8 go on end of grip and fore and aft butt.
I don’t need a special tool to mark my rod spline etc.
I use plain black thread with lime green trim wrap. Two threads size A all I keep. The fancier you go the more it cost. Thread $4.95 or less with UV protection in size A.
I started with wooden Flex coat set $50 with dryer motor. Now I got a CRB set $60 plus $13 for CRB drying motor.
Give you a break down now some people get fancy and get more tools.
Over the years I built and fixed many rods especially broken guides on my favorite rods.
$60 give or take for CRB rod tying station
$13 for dryer motor put on one of my stands
$5 made my chuck for dryer motor out of pvc ($13 for crb one) holds rod butt to turn the rod
$13 epoxy give or take for thread
$8 epoxy for rod handle
$7 for misc tools small scissor, bull nose tool, and some misc tool kit
$2 for small paint brushes put epoxy on
$1.50 China marker to mark where put guides, reel seat, and mark the spline.
$2 rod tip glue
$4.95 black thread size A do not need thread color preservative like old days it in the thread
$2.00 cheap cat toy lazer which I use when playing with my cats to line up guides.
Basic rod cost depends on blank and level of materials.
Cost of a Spinning rod I’m building this week.
Mudhole free shipping over $50 which usually more. I have bought much from them in awhile.
You have a local guy in Houma, LA that a real great rod builder that sells supplies, rod blanks, does classes, and builds rods. I think the company name is Swampland Tackle and guys name is Lance Dupre. His works is top notch and seen his work on a rod building website.
This is an avg cost for a spinning rod I am doing now.
Cost minus thread and epoxy ($90.95 for this rod).
I like the feel and it been durable for me.
Have one similar action that 8 yrs old only changed one guide which were Fuji back then.
Blank $41 on sale
SC84M
Great for Walleye, Smallmouth, and Largemouth.
7'0" | 6-12 lb. | 3/16 - 5/8 oz. | Fast Action | Medium Power | 5.5 Tip | 0.520 Butt | Gloss Black
Guides using CRB elites $19
(You can go cheaper or a lot more expensive. These work for me as the feet are pre ground to help the thread slip on easier)
Kit comes with hook keeper
Tip $2.95
Reel seat $9.00
Front back grip & butt Eva $11
Winding checks $8 go on end of grip and fore and aft butt.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 6:47 am
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:57 am to joeleblanc
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I doubt your $200+ reel will outlast and out perform my 30 year old Abu Garcia
I’ve caught big King Mackeral on a 5000 series reel that would blow your Abu Garcia up like the 4th of the July. Sure, you’ll be fine catching specks and flounder. A higher end reel offers more versatility. I realize that doesn’t appeal at all to some people, but if you live in an area that’s equal distance to a bass lake and 100 feet of saltwater, that abu Garcia won’t cut it in both locations.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 11:28 am to joeleblanc
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Your Duckett rod won’t help detect a bite any better than an old Berkeley lightning rod
This was probably a troll job but I used to have all Berkley lightning rods. Years ago a friend got me to upgrade all of my rods and I will never look back.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 7:42 pm to CharlesLSU
The outliers are where the high end combos are worth the money. If you think you can throw a 6xd on a reel you buy at Academy for 90$ you're gonna be miserable and that reel won't last more than a few weeks.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:23 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Wrong. My Garcia is used for both salt and fresh waters
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:21 pm to John_V
What started me in rod building was finding a crankbait blank that could handle larger deep diving Crankbaits and what today would be considered larger swimbaits 25 years ago.
Back then I threw them with the old Abu Garcia 5000’s and the Ryobi Lews BB1 with a large aftermarket handle to not wear me out. I still have both reels which now are tricked out.
Heavy but the best $60 to $100 back in the day I spent.
Back then I threw them with the old Abu Garcia 5000’s and the Ryobi Lews BB1 with a large aftermarket handle to not wear me out. I still have both reels which now are tricked out.
Heavy but the best $60 to $100 back in the day I spent.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 11:35 pm to CharlesLSU
A huge factor is what kind of fishing you are doing, wade fishing in the middle coast of Texas often means soft plastics on 1/16 oz. jig heads in the wind. Good luck making decent cast to often times small windows and then actually feeling the bite with a cheap combo. Then go ahead and try doing that for 2 or 3 days straight with a heavy clunky rod and baitcaster. We were all Shimano for years but their quality went in the crapper 6 or 7 years ago, switched over to Lews when they made a push into the saltwater game about 5 years ago and love them, they've been bullet proof. Custom Rods by either Sarge Rods or Laguna Custom Rods are hard to beat for how we fish.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:09 am to joeleblanc
Do you use it for pelagics? I’m not talking about reds and specks. I’m talking about Kings, lings, Tarpon, Blackfin, AJs, and mahi. Fishing for those with light tackle requires good light tackle. I’m sure you love your 30 year old reel, I’m also sure that it has more limitations than many more expensive reels.
A 40 pound king is going to roast most reels that can be legitimately used for bass. I’m not hating on an abu Garcia, but it’s also ignorant to say it can handle everything and perform just as well as something like a Saltiga, Saragosa, or Stella. The drags that are necessary to fight fast, long running fish like that just aren’t even in the same realm when you’re comparing a high end saltwater spinning reel to a $75 abu Garcia
A 40 pound king is going to roast most reels that can be legitimately used for bass. I’m not hating on an abu Garcia, but it’s also ignorant to say it can handle everything and perform just as well as something like a Saltiga, Saragosa, or Stella. The drags that are necessary to fight fast, long running fish like that just aren’t even in the same realm when you’re comparing a high end saltwater spinning reel to a $75 abu Garcia
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:53 am to TxWadingFool
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We were all Shimano for years but their quality went in the crapper 6 or 7 years ago, switched over to Lews
I was beginning to wonder if that was my imagination. Shimano hit a period (IMO) where they just kept charging more for the same or lesser product while other reel makers were getting serious, offering quality and innovation for a lower price. I switched mainly to Daiwa and not Lews, and I still like all but one Shimano that I have, but they're older.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:13 pm to CharlesLSU
Yes. the expensive gear is usually worth it. I have green curados I’ve been fishing hard for 20 years. If you like combos and are on a budget, then knock it out. More power to ya, but don’t talk shite about gear just because you don’t want to invest in it. You put that Lews combo next to a GLoomis NRX or GLX and tell me there’s not a HUGE difference to n sensitivity and feel. Y’all crazy. Lol
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:23 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I’ve never said I would use a reel that’s used for reds, trout, bass, etc. for larger fish. Don’t know where that came from. But you can bet it would made by abu Garcia.
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