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re: Tree Canopy and controlled burns
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:15 am to hubreb
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:15 am to hubreb
Burning in bottomland hardwoods is not as natural an occurrence as in uplands, so there are more downsides. The tree species, in general, are not ones adapted to be conducive to fire or to readily survive a fire. You will have a hard time finding a time to burn and your tree species are more likely to be damaged. Not much burning done in bottomland hardwoods because historically fire is not uncommon there.
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:48 am to deeprig9
Nope; not true.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:51 am to turkish
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Burning in bottomland hardwoods is not as natural an occurrence as in uplands, so there are more downsides. The tree species, in general, are not ones adapted to be conducive to fire or to readily survive a fire. You will have a hard time finding a time to burn and your tree species are more likely to be damaged. Not much burning done in bottomland hardwoods because historically fire is not uncommon there.
That’s exactly my outlook too. It used to be just understood, not needing to be explained.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 10:52 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 1:02 pm to EF Hutton
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It used to be just understood, not needing to be explained.
Who said it needed to be explained?
Even if it needed to be explained, you're not the right guy for that if you think LLP is the only thing that burned historically.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 1:19 pm to greenbean
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greenbean
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How did you get this set up?
Sorry, I didn’t see this (and the next)
Called and talked the the MS forestry dept. spoke with the agent and he came out to take a look.
Actually, now that I think about it, may have been from the website.
I set up a meeting with a wildlife agent on the MDWFP website under the private land owner services:
MDWFP
He gave me the number and who to call.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:56 am to hubreb
I wish Weyerhaeuser would burn on my lease. It would do wonders for the deer and turkey.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 5:46 am to chew4219
It’s amazing how quickly the turkey’s respond to a burn. Buddy did a small area a couple of years ago right before turkey season. They flocked to that area the entire season. One of the best management tools they have for wildlife and for whatever reason they’ve gotten away from it and went the chemical route.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 6:54 am to Capt ST
I know what stopped the St Tammany burns. Many years ago, smoke caused a big domino pile up on interstate 12.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:48 am to bbvdd
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Sorry, I didn’t see this (and the next)
Called and talked the the MS forestry dept. spoke with the agent and he came out to take a look.
Actually, now that I think about it, may have been from the website.
I set up a meeting with a wildlife agent on the MDWFP website under the private land owner services:
MDWFP
He gave me the number and who to call.
Thank you, I have a small 60-acre spot I'm going to check with them on.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:03 am to turkish
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historically fire is not uncommon there.
Assume you mean fire is historically uncommon, but that’s only somewhat true. The interval wouldn’t be as frequent as upland, but river and giant cane stands used to be common in bottomland and were conducive to fire, and most of the desirable oak species are fire tolerant and propagating. What has shifted most bottomland away from fire is the prevalence of sweetgum and red maple and other trash hardwoods whose leaves rot in a thick moist mat, rather than staying aerated. There’s a lot to suggest fire may be the way to reverse the process can control Chinese privet.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:04 am to EF Hutton
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That’s exactly my outlook too. It used to be just understood, not needing to be explained.
Jesus Christ you bring absolutely nothing but incoherent bullshite, this troll is played out and needs to be banned
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:11 am to TheDrunkenTigah
No, people like you go around trying to start trouble. We are talking helpful bottomland info and trends.
Many things, when discussed between participants from the same era, are understood and were not necessary to state. When talking to much younger generations, its a simple understood thing that they may not pick up on keynotes that were common earlier.
So don’t go around running your mouth without being educated.
Many things, when discussed between participants from the same era, are understood and were not necessary to state. When talking to much younger generations, its a simple understood thing that they may not pick up on keynotes that were common earlier.
So don’t go around running your mouth without being educated.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:54 am to hubreb
My place is about 60/40 pines to hardwoods and I burn them. Make sure the air temp is less than 50 degrees if possible and light it up.
The green vegetation that comes back is good nutrition.
The green vegetation that comes back is good nutrition.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:19 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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What has shifted most bottomland away from fire is the prevalence of sweetgum and red maple and other trash hardwoods whose leaves rot in a thick moist mat, rather than staying aerated
Mesophication doing work.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:23 pm to EF Hutton
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Many things, when discussed between participants from the same era, are understood and were not necessary to state. When talking to much younger generations, its a simple understood thing that they may not pick up on keynotes that were common earlier
You're talk like the "older" generation always knew what they were talking about.
Older generations gave us Kudzu, Nutria, Hyacinth, and anti-burn philosophies. Not to mention the damn near extinction of most of our game animals.
What you claim used to be "understood" wasn't understood by many at all, nor was it actually accurate.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:40 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Older generations gave us Kudzu, Nutria, Hyacinth, and anti-burn philosophies. Not to mention the damn near extinction of most of our game animals.
Yea, you old fricker! When you built the levees and stopped the river from flooding every year you made it so those bottomlands couldn’t be burnt.
haven’t you lived long enough yet?!? We want our natural habitats back! But, only to the way it was before the white man came. The Indians knew best and their camp fires were the best and never spread. We don’t care about the way the land was before the Ice Age either. We want our “Natural Habitat” back! The way it was preferably 3,000-6,000 years after Younger Dryas.
We are tired of you old fricks that built the levee in 1927, let your pet nutria go in 1933, planted your kudzu in 1876, dumped your damn water hyacinth from you aquariums in 1884, lost your damn pigs back in 1884, you fricks even almost killed all of our Bison in 1884. Haven’t you old fricks lived long enough?!?
Damn EF lol maybe you should die if you did all that shite
Edited to say you gotta be tired
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:14 pm to Outdoorreb
I have no idea what all that was. Before my time. I read some about that. See- foot in mouth again. Think , son, think.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 5:40 pm to EF Hutton
Lol I was BSing about how he put you in the category of “old generations”
He started listing shite that happened all the way back in the late 1800’s, and I was pointing out how old and tired you would be if you were from those generations.
He conveniently left out all the good stuff we have today from the same “older generations” that he tried to throw under the bus.
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You're talk like the "older" generation always knew what they were talking about
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Older generations gave us Kudzu, Nutria, Hyacinth, and anti-burn philosophies. Not to mention the damn near extinction of most of our game animals
He started listing shite that happened all the way back in the late 1800’s, and I was pointing out how old and tired you would be if you were from those generations.
He conveniently left out all the good stuff we have today from the same “older generations” that he tried to throw under the bus.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 6:27 pm to EF Hutton
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So don’t go around running your mouth without being educated.
You’re the dumbest motherfricker on here besides maybe that tuthill cat when he’s been on the sauce.
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