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re: Tree Canopy and controlled burns
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:12 am to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:12 am to Cowboyfan89
I’m in Denham Springs so I understand flat land!
I’ll join that Native Habitat managers group. Thank you.
I’ll join that Native Habitat managers group. Thank you.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:35 am to Cowboyfan89
Threw me off when you mentioned poplar trees in a BLH stand. That is why I thought you were talking about cottonwoods. The only yellow poplar’s I have seen in the delta were for ornamental purposes.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:44 am to Outdoorreb
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Threw me off when you mentioned poplar trees in a BLH stand.
Trust me, I never would have considered that a possibility...until I saw a forest with yellow poplar and cow oak right next to each other. Oddest damn thing, but there they were...right next to each other...in a creek bottom.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:07 am to Cowboyfan89
Guarantee our BLH would burn right now. It is bone dry. All of our land is flat but we do have lower swamps with more cypress, and slightly higher ridges that are more oak, hackberry, gum and honey locust.
I’ve been trying to do habitat improvement by just cutting every hackberry and gum tree I see to get sunlight hitting the ground.
Our shooting lanes are just filled with leaf litter, no growth. Forest is closed canopy, no understory growth, can see for 200 yards. Terrible wildlife habitat.
I’ve been wanting to do some prescribed fires for awhile now, but don’t have a handle on it. I need to talk to a forester to see what the regulations are and how wide fire breaks would be.
I’ve been trying to do habitat improvement by just cutting every hackberry and gum tree I see to get sunlight hitting the ground.
Our shooting lanes are just filled with leaf litter, no growth. Forest is closed canopy, no understory growth, can see for 200 yards. Terrible wildlife habitat.
I’ve been wanting to do some prescribed fires for awhile now, but don’t have a handle on it. I need to talk to a forester to see what the regulations are and how wide fire breaks would be.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 9:03 am to PetroAg
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Our shooting lanes are just filled with leaf litter, no growth. Forest is closed canopy, no understory growth, can see for 200 yards. Terrible wildlife habitat.
We've had so many twisters and storms blow through our area in SE Alabama over the last few years it ripped huge areas in the canopy. Now it looks like Vietnam.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:51 am to SoFla Tideroller
Have you noticed more deer activity since then?
We’ve had a few trees go down in storms but not a ton. I think this drought killed quite a few trees so that may help get some more sunlight on the floor.
We’ve had a few trees go down in storms but not a ton. I think this drought killed quite a few trees so that may help get some more sunlight on the floor.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:26 am to PetroAg
Not particularly, in regards to deer movement. But, I also think our neighbors have really ramped up their feeders/baiting in the last few seasons, so that may have skewed the results.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:35 pm to PetroAg
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Guarantee our BLH would burn right now.
I bet alot of them would burn right now...burn right to the ground... j/k
It's so dry everywhere, even with the rain we've been getting. I checked on one of my favorite duck sloughs, and it's still bone dry with 2-3" cracks.
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hackberry, gum
Assuming you mean sweetgum, this is exactly why most of our BLH could not even carry a fire today, let alone benefit from it. Sweetgum is one of those mesophytic species that reduces the ability of a stand to carry a fire. We have so much of that in an near every BLH stand I see that the only way it would burn is to do some serious cutting and spraying first. I think it was Reb that brought that up earlier.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:09 pm to EF Hutton
EF Hutton said “I know what stopped the St Tammany burns. Many years ago, smoke caused a big domino pile up on interstate 12.”
It was not a controlled burn that caused that pile up. It was large debris piles burn in very close proximity to the interstate. Debris piles are a huge difference from control burns.
I wasn’t there but my Dad worked it as a State Trooper and told me the story.
It was not a controlled burn that caused that pile up. It was large debris piles burn in very close proximity to the interstate. Debris piles are a huge difference from control burns.
I wasn’t there but my Dad worked it as a State Trooper and told me the story.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 5:33 pm to hubreb
If you’re burning hardwoods, make sure you do it in the winter on a cold day. Also, be sure to clear away debris such as fallen trees that may be laying against a tree.
If you get hardwood too hot you won’t be able to see the damage immediately. If the fire is too hot it will cause the tree to become susceptible to disease over time.
If you get hardwood too hot you won’t be able to see the damage immediately. If the fire is too hot it will cause the tree to become susceptible to disease over time.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:38 pm to hubreb
I own land with hardwoods and plantation pines and burn my pines every other year, which is the norm, or every 3rd year max. Basically creates food plots within pine timber stands.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:06 am to Cowboyfan89
Yeah I’m not trying to carry a fire across an entire closed canopy forest, especially since we backup to kisatchie. I was thinking clearing out some of the gum and hackberry and leaving the oaks in little 5-10 acre tracts. I am trying to setup a meeting with a state wildlife biologist so we will see what they say. Burning may not be our best bet, I just want something I can maintain without chainsaws every 5 years.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:23 am to PetroAg
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:24 am to Restoringtheground
I got on the Longleaf restoration project and quail forever project, through local NRCS dept, funded by the USDA. It’s a cost share project to establish Longleaf pines and quail habitat.
If you qualify, they work up a conservation plan, and a timeline that the land must be prepped, burned and replanted. I have been pleased so far with the process. I’m burning this week and planting will take place in Jan-Feb.
Then I will reapply for burn assistance as needed.
If you qualify, they work up a conservation plan, and a timeline that the land must be prepped, burned and replanted. I have been pleased so far with the process. I’m burning this week and planting will take place in Jan-Feb.
Then I will reapply for burn assistance as needed.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:46 am to Restoringtheground
Great podcast released today that focuses on OP question
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 11:47 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 5:28 pm to PetroAg
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especially since we backup to kisatchie.
What parish?
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