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re: Tree Canopy and controlled burns

Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:12 am to
Posted by Restoringtheground
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2023
250 posts
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:12 am to
I’m in Denham Springs so I understand flat land!

I’ll join that Native Habitat managers group. Thank you.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2536 posts
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:35 am to
Threw me off when you mentioned poplar trees in a BLH stand. That is why I thought you were talking about cottonwoods. The only yellow poplar’s I have seen in the delta were for ornamental purposes.







Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12718 posts
Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:44 am to
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Threw me off when you mentioned poplar trees in a BLH stand.

Trust me, I never would have considered that a possibility...until I saw a forest with yellow poplar and cow oak right next to each other. Oddest damn thing, but there they were...right next to each other...in a creek bottom.
Posted by PetroAg
Member since Jun 2013
1273 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:07 am to
Guarantee our BLH would burn right now. It is bone dry. All of our land is flat but we do have lower swamps with more cypress, and slightly higher ridges that are more oak, hackberry, gum and honey locust.

I’ve been trying to do habitat improvement by just cutting every hackberry and gum tree I see to get sunlight hitting the ground.
Our shooting lanes are just filled with leaf litter, no growth. Forest is closed canopy, no understory growth, can see for 200 yards. Terrible wildlife habitat.

I’ve been wanting to do some prescribed fires for awhile now, but don’t have a handle on it. I need to talk to a forester to see what the regulations are and how wide fire breaks would be.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30156 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 9:03 am to
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Our shooting lanes are just filled with leaf litter, no growth. Forest is closed canopy, no understory growth, can see for 200 yards. Terrible wildlife habitat.


We've had so many twisters and storms blow through our area in SE Alabama over the last few years it ripped huge areas in the canopy. Now it looks like Vietnam.
Posted by PetroAg
Member since Jun 2013
1273 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:51 am to
Have you noticed more deer activity since then?

We’ve had a few trees go down in storms but not a ton. I think this drought killed quite a few trees so that may help get some more sunlight on the floor.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30156 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:26 am to
Not particularly, in regards to deer movement. But, I also think our neighbors have really ramped up their feeders/baiting in the last few seasons, so that may have skewed the results.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12718 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:35 pm to
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Guarantee our BLH would burn right now.

I bet alot of them would burn right now...burn right to the ground... j/k

It's so dry everywhere, even with the rain we've been getting. I checked on one of my favorite duck sloughs, and it's still bone dry with 2-3" cracks.

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hackberry, gum

Assuming you mean sweetgum, this is exactly why most of our BLH could not even carry a fire today, let alone benefit from it. Sweetgum is one of those mesophytic species that reduces the ability of a stand to carry a fire. We have so much of that in an near every BLH stand I see that the only way it would burn is to do some serious cutting and spraying first. I think it was Reb that brought that up earlier.
Posted by Restoringtheground
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2023
250 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:09 pm to
EF Hutton said “I know what stopped the St Tammany burns. Many years ago, smoke caused a big domino pile up on interstate 12.”

It was not a controlled burn that caused that pile up. It was large debris piles burn in very close proximity to the interstate. Debris piles are a huge difference from control burns.

I wasn’t there but my Dad worked it as a State Trooper and told me the story.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19504 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 5:33 pm to
If you’re burning hardwoods, make sure you do it in the winter on a cold day. Also, be sure to clear away debris such as fallen trees that may be laying against a tree.

If you get hardwood too hot you won’t be able to see the damage immediately. If the fire is too hot it will cause the tree to become susceptible to disease over time.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 5:34 pm
Posted by PlaySomeHonk
Montegut La and Liberty MS
Member since Jan 2023
333 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:38 pm to
I own land with hardwoods and plantation pines and burn my pines every other year, which is the norm, or every 3rd year max. Basically creates food plots within pine timber stands.
Posted by PetroAg
Member since Jun 2013
1273 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:06 am to
Yeah I’m not trying to carry a fire across an entire closed canopy forest, especially since we backup to kisatchie. I was thinking clearing out some of the gum and hackberry and leaving the oaks in little 5-10 acre tracts. I am trying to setup a meeting with a state wildlife biologist so we will see what they say. Burning may not be our best bet, I just want something I can maintain without chainsaws every 5 years.
Posted by Restoringtheground
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2023
250 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:23 am to
LINK

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Posted by 14caratgoldjones
Uniontown, Al
Member since Aug 2009
1318 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:24 am to
I got on the Longleaf restoration project and quail forever project, through local NRCS dept, funded by the USDA. It’s a cost share project to establish Longleaf pines and quail habitat.

If you qualify, they work up a conservation plan, and a timeline that the land must be prepped, burned and replanted. I have been pleased so far with the process. I’m burning this week and planting will take place in Jan-Feb.

Then I will reapply for burn assistance as needed.
Posted by Restoringtheground
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2023
250 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:46 am to
Great podcast released today that focuses on OP question

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This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 11:47 am
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12718 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 5:28 pm to
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especially since we backup to kisatchie.

What parish?
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