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Tree Canopy and controlled burns

Posted on 7/2/23 at 1:07 pm
Posted by hubreb
Member since Nov 2008
1843 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 1:07 pm
Was watching a show this a.m. about wildfires out west and how doing controlled burns beneath the canopy helps control wildfires, totally makes sense.

However, the final segment was about how a deer hunting association had teamed up with the relevant parties to do the burns on more land to improve deer habitat.

Has anyone heard of doing this in the southeast?

I hunt in NE Louisiana and in areas that haven't been select cut, there is very little vegetation. Conversely where it has been select cut it seems it turns into nothing but thicket.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30094 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 1:17 pm to
Turkeys love it.


The reason I clicked on this link is because I’m sitting here looking at a plot that needs to be burned right now. It hasn’t been burned in decades, and it’s going to be a little bit of trouble.
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 1:18 pm to
Thats something thats done in longleaf pine forests. This because it occurred naturally by lightning, but now more controlled burn. Gopher Tortise, red cocated woodpecker, Bachman fox squirrel all count on the fires occurring.

But NE La, that should be bottomland hardwoods. Never heard of burns there.

Posted by KRS
Member since Jun 2022
265 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 1:18 pm to
They burn all the time here in FL. Most state own land is on a 3 yr rotation avg. to be burned. They also work with private land owners.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17314 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 1:20 pm to
Are you asking about burning in general, or getting assistance with burning through some kind of cooperative?

Supposedly timber companies are becoming more receptive to the idea of cost sharing burning with hunters, but that’s only been mentioned recently.

Tons of info out there on controlled burning in the southeast for habitat improvement. MSU deer lab has a lot of info and can point you to other resources. Short version, it’s one of the single best management tools available, but obviously there’s more to it than grabbing a can of diesel and some matches.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24954 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 1:28 pm to
MS forestry dept is going to burn 40’acres of my land in the spring.

I have to pay for the dozer for the fire lines which is $2500 but I think it will be well worth that.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63897 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 2:13 pm to
It is widely reported that long leaf pine actually need a fire to bust their cones or they can't germinate naturally.
Posted by hubreb
Member since Nov 2008
1843 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 2:22 pm to
The reason I'm asking is it has never been done where I hunt in Mississippi River bottoms, seems like it would be worth while
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24954 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 2:41 pm to
If it’s hard wood (oak, hickory, sycamore and the like) or pine, the leaves will burn really well. The trees are adapted to live through burns.

Bottom woods type like sweetgum and willow won’t burn as easily.

This is according to wild Turkey Science podcast. It’s a professor at Florida and one at Auburn.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10686 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 3:29 pm to
Burning is excellent TSI and habitat improvement.

For all wildlife.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5560 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 3:48 pm to
If sunlight doesn’t reach the ground due to the canopy of large hardwoods, it’s not going to make much difference.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12710 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 7:40 pm to
The southeast has always maintained a fire culture, even through the "only you can prevent wildfire" days when fire suppression became a big deal.

In LA, burning tends to be restricted to longleaf pine, prairies, and Marsh, but the limited upland hardwoods that exist here would have burned on some longer intervals historically.

Outside of the coastal plain where longleaf was historically the dominant "tree" community, most of the woodland/savannah environments that burned were upland oak/hickory systems.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13808 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 7:43 pm to
quote:

It is widely reported that long leaf pine actually need a fire to bust their cones or they can't germinate naturally.


Long leaf needs fire to grow out of what is called the grass stage.
Posted by Stateguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
886 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

wild Turkey Science podcast


Dr Marcus Lashley is the prof from Florida. Was previously at the MSU deer lab and on the podcast. Huge proponent of burning. Seemed like he had to mention burning every other sentence when he was on the deer podcast.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired
Member since Feb 2019
4543 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

MS forestry dept is going to burn 40’acres of my land in the spring.

I have to pay for the dozer for the fire lines which is $2500 but I think it will be well worth that.




How did you get this set up?
Posted by CatSquirrel
Southaven, Ms
Member since Sep 2012
121 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

MS forestry dept is going to burn 40’acres of my land in the spring.

I have to pay for the dozer for the fire lines which is $2500 but I think it will be well worth that.


Interested in this too. We have land in north Miss.
This post was edited on 7/2/23 at 8:44 pm
Posted by Amite tiger
Member since Sep 2016
111 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 9:35 pm to
Contact your local service forester with the the MS forestry commission. They usually handle a few counties. You can also apply for cost share (reimbursement) for the burning and fire line prep.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24954 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

You can also apply for cost share (reimbursement) for the burning and fire line prep.


Only if your are planting trees according to my agent.
Posted by Amite tiger
Member since Sep 2016
111 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 9:58 pm to
They have two types of burning, one for site prep( preparing to plant trees) and one for silvicultural practice. The latter I have used for an established forest. It pays less than the site prep, but was happy to get it.
Posted by CHGAR
Haile, LA
Member since Aug 2022
563 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 6:47 am to
quote:

But NE La, that should be bottomland hardwoods. Never heard of burns there.


In areas such as Union Parish, where my property is, there pine plantations that are control burned after selective timber harvesting of tracts.

It vastly improves food sources and habitat for wildlife. What it primarily does is burn off all the fallen pine straw to expose the dirt to sunlight.
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