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re: Todd Masson caught trespassing?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:06 am to LARancher1991
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:06 am to LARancher1991
perhaps, but that still implies ownership. Who owns the water in the oceans? Because that’s where the water in your pond came from. Are the oceans “public” or are they just there?
the issue is complicated enough without declaring that the water itself in the waterway is somehow public property. It’s just there, owned by no one and nothing. LA claims 3 miles of state ownership of the Gulf of Mexico for example, so the notion is that the state “owns” the fish within that 3 miles, which is stupid. What it “owns” is the right to grant access
Not the same thing
the issue is complicated enough without declaring that the water itself in the waterway is somehow public property. It’s just there, owned by no one and nothing. LA claims 3 miles of state ownership of the Gulf of Mexico for example, so the notion is that the state “owns” the fish within that 3 miles, which is stupid. What it “owns” is the right to grant access
Not the same thing
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:08 am to cgrand
replace “water” with “air” and it’s the same thing. Nobody owns the air we breathe it’s just there
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:17 am to cgrand
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:23 am to cgrand
Todd's contention is that it is a named natural bayou. As he said in the interaction with LE: "Big difference between a canal and a bayou".
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:27 am to ATLtigeaux
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:39 am to jcdogfish
quote:Jesus this state is et up with tax raising commies. If I can’t have it they can either.
Problem is we are now giving the break to large out of state corporations and oil and gas,,not saving family farms. If they restrict access that tax break should go away and fair assessments should happen, not penny's per acre.
What your saying is there should be public access to land with use value assessment?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:40 am to No Colors
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Todd's contention is that it is a named natural bayou
I don’t know anything about “bumblebee bayou”, but there’s a “naturally” named bayou on our lease that’s in the middle of the marsh, but it is in no way “navigable” or public waters.
ETA: From the sounds of it, bumblebee bayou is nothing like what we have on our lease… so the down voters can relax.
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:49 am to ATLtigeaux
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:01 pm to White Bear
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:50 pm to jcdogfish
quote:pretty sure the shumate case clarified public has the right to navigate to mean high water but that right does not include the right to hunt and fish. I’ve posted this oreviously in this thread.
Our laws just don't have a mechanism to decouple ownership of water bottoms and water access rights.
There is no use value for personal property/real property improvements.
I have a JIB on a Chesapeake well from 12/2023, 2-unit Haynesville gas well, first year tax bill was $492,500. Exploration cos are taxed plenty on property.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:07 pm to White Bear
No way this should be as complicated as the state has allowed it to become. Fish have to have water to survive. If the water is tidal, navigation can be completed by a floating boat, and YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE STATED LOUISIANA CREEL LIMIT, the water is public.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:14 am to cgrand
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water is the only compound we are aware of that naturally exists in all three phases (gas, solid, liquid). It cannot be owned
Tell that to my a-hole. It produces all three of those daily.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:49 am to White Bear
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:04 am to Ron Cheramie
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It’s 2024 and now that actual land is 100 acres and 900 acres of open water
I still pay taxes on the whole 1000 acres
This is the big thing. At this point the state should have gotten with local governments to get land maps and create a database. I mean if OnX and Huntstand can do it for hunting property it can be done for fishing.
Folks who have no ownership don't know history of these things as well. We have hundreds of acres that were impacted by the government structure for Catahoula Lake yet the state has never paid out those folks impacted nor have they made efforts to create an efficient ways for sportsman to gather this information.
Thing is, it's not on the property owner to post signs or anything it's on the hunter/fishermen to know and follow the law so all you landowners can do is constantly deal with this battle because the state is content dealing with it on a case by case basis and the landowners know the result because they know the law and their rights, and they are willing to make examples of folks because they are tired of dealing with these confrontations. More times than not these confrontations are not with law abiding folks, when everything shakes out the landowners find out the stories they were fed by the offenders were bullshite and they have a long record of trespassing and poaching. This leads the landowners to being fed up with it and having zero patience or understanding at this point.
Also, Masson should be more responsible and inform folks properly. If he wants to explain it properly have law enforcement, judges, lawyers, and whatnot involved in his presentation to provide proper knowledge. I bet he wouldn't do this in a large property known for being a sanctuary or a private marsh owned by a folks that are known to prosecute.
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:46 am to Scrowe
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 5:06 pm to tigersownall
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Case in point went on a guided fishing trip last week to the ponderosa across from tidewater. I’m told this is private. What’s stopping everyone and their brother from fishing in there?
The guard shack at the opening of the Canal
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:45 pm to latech15
quote:mostly hydrocarbons plus some water…not all the same molecule
Tell that to my a-hole. It produces all three of those daily.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:50 pm to cgrand
Just saw the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's office was called as a complaint was filed against Todd Mason for fishing Bumblebee Bayou next to the Rigolets.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 10:06 pm to jcdogfish
quote:Because the land is nearly worthless.
All business activities, equipment etc is taxed in all business sectors. I'm strictly tal0king property tax on marshland, Specifically, marshland owned by large out of state corporations. What is the reason to give them tax breaks on the property tax, and why a use tax assessment. Its public record and easily found,,some 30-40 cents per acre.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:21 am to White Bear
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