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re: To go with diesel or stay with gas…
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:35 pm to BigDog18
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:35 pm to BigDog18
Love my 3.0 Duramax. Great fuel economy, torque for days, pulls my toys around.
Oil changes $80 bucks
Fuel filter $30 bucks
DEF $12 bucks every 4k miles
Honestly not that much more than a gas truck, granted its 1/2 ton. Also granted, nothing has went wrong yet. I don't want to know what it costs for an injector or something.
Oil changes $80 bucks
Fuel filter $30 bucks
DEF $12 bucks every 4k miles
Honestly not that much more than a gas truck, granted its 1/2 ton. Also granted, nothing has went wrong yet. I don't want to know what it costs for an injector or something.
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:05 pm to BigDog18
Fleets are going gas for a reason. A gas 3/4 ton is where it's at both for up front cost and life of ownership cost.
If you trade it in at a dealershit they'll try to hose you on it because "nobody wants gas HD trucks," but that's bullshite. I sold my last one in a day for what I wanted, about 20% more than the dealer offered.
Diesels are awesome and the new ones are the best ones ever. The initial price of them is simply outrageous, and lord forbid you have a failure. Lawn care business is horrible for them. Lots of short trips, lots of starts and stops, etc. Get a gas.
If you trade it in at a dealershit they'll try to hose you on it because "nobody wants gas HD trucks," but that's bullshite. I sold my last one in a day for what I wanted, about 20% more than the dealer offered.
Diesels are awesome and the new ones are the best ones ever. The initial price of them is simply outrageous, and lord forbid you have a failure. Lawn care business is horrible for them. Lots of short trips, lots of starts and stops, etc. Get a gas.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:33 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Yeah don’t let the dealers tell you your gas HD pickup isn’t in demand. ALL 2500-3500 trucks are selling the moment they hit the lots these days and have been for the last two years. Gas and diesel. The thing that turns me off from diesels today is all the emission crap that I dont trust past 100,000 miles.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:55 pm to RobertFootball
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that I dont trust past 100,000 miles.
All depends on how you use it, maintain it, and a little bit of luck.
OP would have problems. Repeated short trips on cold engines is horrible for the aftertreatment system and the engine. They need time with heat and load to keep the EGR valves and coolers, turbo vanes, etc all clean and working.
Mine rarely takes a trip under 45 minutes and often 2-3 hours pulling something. It SHOULD last an extremely long time like that. Of course anything can happen and it might blow chunks all over the highway tomorrow.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:34 am to BigDog18
I have a 16 2500 with 180k+ on it right now. Emissions deleted around 85k, no more def. Oil changes are around $50 using the 2.5 gal rotella from wallyworld and the ac delco filter. Fuel filter gets changed every 15-20k for $50. Yes fuel is more expensive right now but i get better mileage than a gas burner while towing and get 21-24 hwy depending on how fast i go.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:06 am to BigDog18
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I read said that if you don’t tow heavy you can ruin the engine?
That is not true.
Don't listen to the people that say, "it's stupid to own a 3/4 ton diesel if you're not towing!" Diesels are very powerful engines and are comfortable to drive. When I'm buying my next truck if I can get a 3/4 diesel at a decent price I will because with regular maintenance they will outlast 1/2 ton gassers.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:10 am to ozktgr
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If you're towing on mostly flat land have you considered a 3/4 ton gasser?
The best 3/4 ton gasser available right now is the F-250 with the 7.3L big block. That thing puts out ridiculous power and seems like Ford paired it up with a good transmission. I have a friend that regularly tows 12k with it no issues. He also said Ford has upgraded their brakes on the Super Dutys recently compared to the 2017 he had previously.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:24 am to Junky
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The 6.4 gets some hate, but I have one and no complaints. They now have the ZF 10 speed transmission.
What year is it?
OP I have a 2013 f250 6.2 L gasser.
Pulls and does everything I want. Pulled some heavy arse loads to our deer lease and it handled it fine.
I wouldn't overlook a 3/4 gasser. It's gets better fuel mileage than my 2002 Supercross f150 ever did.
The new dodges with the ZF intrigue me as does the 7.3 L gasser for the future. A fried just bought one with a long bed and I'm curious to see his mileage
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:29 am to mwlewis
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it's stupid to own a 3/4 ton diesel if you're not towing
Well, by every non-emotional metric it certainly is. Even for most people who do tow regularly it is stupid. Its financially impossible to justify, which is why fleets are going gas. shite, school boards are buy gas school busses now.
With the costs and reliability issues, buying a diesel cant be rationalized.
Now, if we are going to try to define the worth of being able to drag 16k lbs up a mountain while passing traffic, than the diesel starts to dominate.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:32 am to mwlewis
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When I'm buying my next truck if I can get a 3/4 diesel at a decent price I will because with regular maintenance they will outlast 1/2 ton gassers.
This is likely anecdotal at best.
There's no justifiable reason given the OP's situation for him to buy a diesel or 3/4 ton. He really doesn't need anything over a 5 liter gas engine with a tow package, maybe some beefed up breaks but that's DIY or cheap aftermarket.
Given that, if the OP is going to upgrade in the future that's a different story. But the extra $1/ gallon diesel price over gas would kill any potential financial savings and that's not even including the extra up front cost and maintenance prices.
Point being, OP you won't be able to currently justify it but if you want its not the worst decision you'll make.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:35 am to baldona
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There's no justifiable reason
Ehhhh, just because you want one and you can afford it is as good a reason as any. Just don't try to do all the mental gymnastics to make it make sense on paper. Can't be done for very many people.
Also, you loose any semblance of off road capability and a good bit of cargo capacity with that heavy arse engine. It doesn't take much to get a 4 door 3/4 ton diesel truck overweight.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:46 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Yeah I think I’m going to pass on the diesel and order a 2022. Thinking about getting it with the 6.2L. I have the 5.3 atm but looking to try the big boy
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:16 pm to thejudge
2020
I think the ZF 10 speeds started in 2019(?). Either way, they are great transmissions and shifting is smooth.
I would go with a long bed though with the 50 gallon tank. The short beds with the 36 gallon tanks are a bit of a joke for a 3/4 ton.
I think the ZF 10 speeds started in 2019(?). Either way, they are great transmissions and shifting is smooth.
I would go with a long bed though with the 50 gallon tank. The short beds with the 36 gallon tanks are a bit of a joke for a 3/4 ton.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 3:11 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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A gas 3/4 ton is where it's at
I have to agree. I love my 2021 Silverado 2500 gas burner. Gets decent MPG. I can get around 18 on the interstate with he cruise set on 73. Its not leveled but I have 35's on it. The ride is pretty good and night and day difference than my 2017 F250.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 3:15 pm to BigDog18
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Yeah I think I’m going to pass on the diesel and order a 2022. Thinking about getting it with the 6.2L. I have the 5.3 atm but looking to try the big boy
Pulling under 1500 lbs this is absolutely the best idea IMO.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:00 pm to SenseiBuddy
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f you don’t need a diesel don’t get one. I drive and tow long distances. Every trip I make is about 300 - 800 miles one way.
Im loving my truck but not loving 14.5mpg and $128 fill ups.
this right here. Think about filling up for $128.00. Now think about DEF fluid. Then throw in the $280.00 for oil and fuel filter(s) changes.
If you can justify it- buy one. But those expenses add up quick. And that's not including any other things going wrong. Been there and it wasn't worth it.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:16 pm to Junky
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I would go with a long bed though with the 50 gallon tank. The short beds with the 36 gallon tanks are a bit of a joke for a 3/4 ton.
That's exactly what I'd do sir.
I like the long bed.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:18 pm to thejudge
My next one will be a LWB SRW 350. Mine is a SWB 250 with the small tank. I get 12 mpg pulling our camper and that doesn’t last very long.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:25 pm to tigerinthebueche
Well to be fair, if a modern diesel is getting 14.5 mpg pulling that load, a modern gasser will probably be at 10 or less doing the same speed. My gas Ford used to get 9.5 pulling my boat and my diesel will get 16 on the same trip.
Diesel is definitely going to give you more range on a tank, and that's nice to have. There isn't a gas burner truck out there that will out range a diesel of comparable model year.
Diesel is definitely going to give you more range on a tank, and that's nice to have. There isn't a gas burner truck out there that will out range a diesel of comparable model year.
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