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THIS is why I insisted on an external safety.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/4/19 at 11:09 am
We discussed this preference here before, and the following article may be just an outlier, nevertheless, not having an external safety to prevent this from happening is an issue I choose not to be worried with. News link: LINK
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 11:16 am to BFIV
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Fabrique Nationale (FN) Herstal duty weapons
I think I found the problem.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 11:34 am to BFIV
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may be just an outlier,
It is. If I was so worried about shooting myself, I would just get a sa/da gun with a decocker as my carry gun like the P30sk. No safety to deal with but super safe. Still, I trust every handgun I have to not go off when I don't pull the trigger.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 11:44 am to ChatRabbit77
Main thing I like about SA/DA is I can holster it with my thumb on the hammer. No chance of it going off.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Main thing I like about SA/DA is I can holster it with my thumb on the hammer. No chance of it going off.
Exactly. It's especially great for people who appendix carry.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:24 pm to BFIV
What if the external safety malfunctions?
In all seriousness, the striker fired system that Glock uses has a pretty impressive record. Other firms' attempts to recreate that (including my favorite, Sig Sauer) have produced mixed results in performance and safety.
I like my classic Sigs with SA/DA. Nothing mechanical is perfect and no firearm is perfectly safe. But, I stand by them.
Frankly, I didn't know that FN got into the striker fired business. They are an extraordinary small arms maker, particularly battle rifles and machineguns. I've never been particularly impressed with their pistols, especially more recent models. Fortunately this problem has been discovered before serious injury or fatality.
In all seriousness, the striker fired system that Glock uses has a pretty impressive record. Other firms' attempts to recreate that (including my favorite, Sig Sauer) have produced mixed results in performance and safety.
I like my classic Sigs with SA/DA. Nothing mechanical is perfect and no firearm is perfectly safe. But, I stand by them.
Frankly, I didn't know that FN got into the striker fired business. They are an extraordinary small arms maker, particularly battle rifles and machineguns. I've never been particularly impressed with their pistols, especially more recent models. Fortunately this problem has been discovered before serious injury or fatality.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 2:46 pm to BFIV
That's one handgun. Just buy a Glock instead if you want a striker fired. They have a firing pin safety that won't allow the firing pin to move forward unless the trigger is pulled.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 2:51 pm to Ace Midnight
Glock and Smith and Wesson M&P striker fire pistols are vetted. FN not so much. Weapons, like vehicles, have quality and design issues. Only Sigs I own are DA/SA. I've carried both types daily since 1985. Requires repetition and practice to go between brands and types to not have accidents. Gun malfunctions are not user caused.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 3:16 pm to BFIV
Multiple problems with that pistol documented in one video.
This is why I insisted on a carry gun not made by FN.
I could be wrong, but there are metric s**tloads of M&P's and Glocks out there, and I don't recall ever hearing of a documented case of any of them discharging w/o the trigger having been pulled.
But anyone who feels the need for an external safety or a non-striker fired pistol has plenty of choices. And that shouldn't incite or hurt the feelings of those who don't have/feel such a need.
P.S. Lots of newly designed firearms have flaws. The fact that so many flaws make it through the so-called QA/QC process should be criminal (whether it's a Remington 700 trigger, a SIG or Walther that discharges when dropped, or an FNS)
This is why I insisted on a carry gun not made by FN.
I could be wrong, but there are metric s**tloads of M&P's and Glocks out there, and I don't recall ever hearing of a documented case of any of them discharging w/o the trigger having been pulled.
But anyone who feels the need for an external safety or a non-striker fired pistol has plenty of choices. And that shouldn't incite or hurt the feelings of those who don't have/feel such a need.
P.S. Lots of newly designed firearms have flaws. The fact that so many flaws make it through the so-called QA/QC process should be criminal (whether it's a Remington 700 trigger, a SIG or Walther that discharges when dropped, or an FNS)
Posted on 5/4/19 at 3:26 pm to rebelrouser
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That's one handgun.
Bingo. I own several guns and have never had an issue.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:41 pm to BFIV
Wow, they issued FNH over Glock and S&W?
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:09 pm to Korin
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Wow, they issued FNH over Glock and S&W?
Cheaper I guess?
You get what you pay for.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:58 pm to BFIV
if this is the reason you "insist" on an external safety....you're horribly uneducated in firearms.
stick me the bird.
See that finger between the raised finger and ya thumb?
there's you're safety.
stick me the bird.
See that finger between the raised finger and ya thumb?
there's you're safety.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:34 pm to Bawcephus
I grew up with guns and insist on either an exposed hammer or manual safety on every firearm, regardless of its use.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:25 am to rebelrouser
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They have a firing pin safety that won't allow the firing pin to move forward unless the trigger is pulled.
I think virtually all modern striker-fired handguns have a firing pin block. It may even be a safety requirement by the manufacturers but I’m not 100% sure on that.
I own an FNS and this appears to be an easy fix - swap the striker for another one. I knew I was taking a risk seeing a lot of new designs have recalls in their early years. In hindsight I should have waited for the FN 509 since it’s an improved FNS.
But to say FN does shoddy work with firearms is extremely short-sighted. They produce tons of quality military firearms and make an excellent product. Handguns may not be their specialty but I’m not throwing the entire company under the bus for a recall item.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:32 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Pretty much me to. My reasons: 1. unanticipated misuse, 2. I am neither LE nor Military, and 3. I never intend to carry.
I grew up with guns and insist on either an exposed hammer or manual safety on every firearm, regardless of its use.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:06 pm to AlxTgr
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unanticipated misuse
“THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! NO UNTRAINED PERSON WILL EVER GAIN ACCESS TO MY GUNS!” shouts the man who keeps a loaded AR-15 truck gun at all times in a case the zombie apocalypse breaks out.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:17 pm to uway
Posted on 5/6/19 at 7:35 pm to Ace Midnight
Loved my fnh .45
Posted on 5/6/19 at 7:35 pm to BFIV
Simple fix is don't keep one in the chamber.
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