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re: Texas lowers trout limits to 3……
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:14 pm to Saskwatch
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:14 pm to Saskwatch
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Plenty of fish out there that fry well that you can add to the box.
Agreed. I always go looking for sheepshead, blue cats, and puppy drum when I have people in town looking for a meat haul.
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:31 pm to TJG210
When will start and is it the entire coast or upper, mid, lower coast?
Causeway & deep bayou parking lots are going to be packed if this is coast wide, Texans already fill it up now.
Check out N & S Carolina trout, red & flounder regs if you think this is bad. They have an absolute shite show going on in the Carolina’s.
I do see a future where black drum and sheep head will be game fish if our situation doesn’t improve.
Causeway & deep bayou parking lots are going to be packed if this is coast wide, Texans already fill it up now.
Check out N & S Carolina trout, red & flounder regs if you think this is bad. They have an absolute shite show going on in the Carolina’s.
I do see a future where black drum and sheep head will be game fish if our situation doesn’t improve.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:40 pm to KemoSabe65
Coast wide, they will go into effect sometime in early to mid March, there was a big push to get this done prior to this years spawning cycle. Once all the paperwork is completed in the next week or so it will be published in the public record in Austin, it has to be in there for 20 days before it becomes law.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:40 pm to MWP
10” here but now I can get my battle ship in the marsh.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:44 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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This is all just catering to the guides who use state resources, owned by all of us, to make a living. Eventually they will push for an add on license fee for fishing "their" waters and hampering their business
Its kinda like trophy deer hunting. There's plenty of guys that prefer a 6 point rule or 8 point rule or 13" spread or whatever, compared to just its brown its down.
You also don't have to keep your first 3 fish. Throw back anything under x size.
I'm all about cooking fish, but I also think its pretty funny when guys complain about not keeping a 14" trout. There aint much meat on those in the first place.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:02 pm to TJG210
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Obviously this is only anecdotal, but I am typically catching 18-20" trout here, 12-15" trout in La, and 15-20" trout on the AL/FL coast.
Correct, but what you have to realize is each ecosystem is different. No matter what, Louisiana will never produce size trout like Texas/Florida, they’ll never produce our numbers.
You're right about different ecosystems, but again wrong on size. Big Lake used to rank top 3 in the Country for size....then they let the oyster guys take all the habitat.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:07 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
Gonna be hard for people from Louisiana (which includes me) to believe, but we are the only state where “filling a box” is how the day is judged.
Even still, 6 fillets is more than enough for the average person. If you need more food to cook there are plenty of other fish to catch.
Even still, 6 fillets is more than enough for the average person. If you need more food to cook there are plenty of other fish to catch.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:35 pm to TJG210
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No matter what, Louisiana will never produce size trout like Texas/Florida, they’ll never produce our numbers.
I agree on the numbers aspect of this, no state puts out the sheer number of fish Louisiana does. I'm not sure on the size argument though. I feel if Louisiana would raise the size limit to 15", it would result in bigger trout. No science here, just relating it to my experience in surrounding states as they all seem to produce larger trout on average.
It would be interesting to test that theory in La with its current daily limits. Who knows, maybe they would need to lower the daily bag limit as well to achieve larger sizes? Maybe the ecosystem there wouldn't support larger trout regardless?
Bottom line, even amongst recreational fisherman, we all have our own agenda. Mine happens to be a lower trout limit is acceptable if it results in larger fish. I realize I am likely in the minority on this, especially in Louisiana.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 7:09 pm to Basura Blanco
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just relating it to my experience in surrounding states
Why is it so difficult for people to understand that Louisiana ecosystem is VASTLY different than the other coastal states? This is exactly why I have a hard time even entertaining any changes.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 7:56 pm to TJG210
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Why is it so difficult for people to understand that Louisiana ecosystem is VASTLY different than the other coastal states?
It is vastly different and unique. That doesn't mean that conservation efforts enacted elsewhere wouldn't be effective here in Louisiana.
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This is exactly why I have a hard time even entertaining any changes.
The estuaries that make it unique are eroding at a rapid pace. There are more boats and lines on the water than ever before. More and more commercial fishing take.
How could you not entertain change when so much is working against the fish? You really can't stand a few less fish in the box if it means a better and stronger future stock?
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:39 pm to TxWadingFool
Your second graph is very representative of the fishing experience in Corpus Christi this year. It's not an issue of two many guides, the fishery has just collapsed. Lived here for 25 years, there is no trout..........
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:08 pm to Saskwatch
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That doesn't mean that conservation efforts enacted elsewhere wouldn't be effective here in Louisiana.
We can agree to disagree here, Florida and Texas have completely different type of environments, along with completely different carrying capacities than we do.
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The estuaries that make it unique are eroding at a rapid pace.
Agreed, and we should be dredging 24/7/365 building land back instead of injecting poison into the ecosystem.
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More and more commercial fishing take.
For speckled trout? No there isn’t
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How could you not entertain change when so much is working against the fish?
I’d for certain entertain change if I felt there was a problem. The biggest hindrance as I’ve mentioned several times is freshwater pouring in. Mardi Gras pass has fricked up Black Bay as a place to catch trout, not the fisherman.
This year fishing/shrimping was absolutely off the charts in many places that have stunk the past few years…..why….because the river was low.. the previous 2yrs the estuaries close to the River were awful bc the trout went other places to spawn. I fish mostly out of cocodrie and 2021/22 were great.
When they startup all these other diversions, it’s going to be more of the same and even fewer places to catch trout.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:12 pm to TJG210
It’s plain and simple Texas does not have a sustainable fishery with our population that fishes and harvests fish. The freeze was a real kill shot.
We have multiple hatcheries in the state that supplement all bay systems with trout fingerlings and have done so for years and years. LINK
Add to that croaker fishing, which allows any angler regardless of ability, level playing field to catch BIG trout. At this point it’s legal to harvest one over 25” a day in TX.
I am for doing something that reduces pressure on the fish and the bays in general so we can get close to having sustainable fishery again.
We have multiple hatcheries in the state that supplement all bay systems with trout fingerlings and have done so for years and years. LINK
Add to that croaker fishing, which allows any angler regardless of ability, level playing field to catch BIG trout. At this point it’s legal to harvest one over 25” a day in TX.
I am for doing something that reduces pressure on the fish and the bays in general so we can get close to having sustainable fishery again.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:36 pm to Trevaylin
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Your second graph is very representative of the fishing experience in Corpus Christi this year. It's not an issue of two many guides, the fishery has just collapsed. Lived here for 25 years, there is no trout..........
I haven't fished the lower coast in 5-6 years but you are not the first person I have heard say this about Corpus/Baffin.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:34 am to KemoSabe65
quote:they still have gill netters and they’re allowed back in the rivers and bayous. NC could possible be the best trout fishing state if it wasn’t for that
Check out N & S Carolina trout, red & flounder regs if you think this is bad. They have an absolute shite show going on in the Carolina’s.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:25 am to TJG210
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Went fishing with a guide in Louisiana a few weeks ago and he was telling me the push for the limit changes here (particularly redfish) are being pushed by fly fishing guides out of Florida that guide in Louisiana part of the year.
Inaccurate. Some fly fishing guides are indeed pushing the new regulations with lower limits, but they are Louisiana guides that save spent their entire lives fishing here. They also see (literally) the interior and near marsh redfish populations on a daily basis, which is the strongest base of anecdotal evidence you can gather. Much different from Joe Bob going to catch 10 redfish at the bottom of the four corners on dead shrimp and then arguing that “there’s nothing wrong with the population.”
You should really question the credibility of whichever guide told you that these new regs are primarily backed by out of state guides. The out of state fly guide population here has decreased significantly over the last 5-6 years because the redfishing has gone to shite.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 11:40 am to bluemoons
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You should really question the credibility of whichever guide told you that these new regs are primarily backed by out of state guides. The out of state fly guide population here has decreased significantly over the last 5-6 years because the redfishing has gone to shite.
Where has the fishing gone to shite for redfish?
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Some fly fishing guides are indeed pushing the new regulations with lower limits, but they are Louisiana guides that save spent their entire lives fishing here. They also see (literally) the interior and near marsh redfish populations on a daily basis, which is the strongest base of anecdotal evidence you can gather. Much different from Joe Bob going to catch 10 redfish at the bottom of the four corners on dead shrimp and then arguing that “there’s nothing wrong with the population.”
lol what a pile of bullshite. So now one guides fishing method determines what type of knowledge he has about the fishery?
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 12:50 pm to bluemoons
I don't think anyone denies the loss of habitat, you can't, most also probably agree in the decrease in population.
The thing that pisses myself and most others off is that the recreational fishermen are at the bottom of the list. Commercial and guides are the ones catered to.
The thing that pisses myself and most others off is that the recreational fishermen are at the bottom of the list. Commercial and guides are the ones catered to.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 1/27/24 at 1:38 pm to lion
Because trout do not have game fish status, think about that for a second.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 1:48 pm to GREENHEAD22
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The thing that pisses myself and most others off is that the recreational fishermen are at the bottom of the list. Commercial and guides are the ones catered to.
The thing of it is for me is with the plethora of recreational fishermen we have, the state doesn’t seem to monitor catch at all (to my knowledge, nor the inshore guides). I know some people have been polled at marinas, but those folks must be like Sasquatch bc I’ve never seen one.
I’d be 100% ok with submitting optional trip reports if it helped manage the fishery better. Relying on one small niche of the overall fishing public is asinine.
I’d be perfectly fine if these decisions (Louisiana) were being driven by hard data, but they’re not, it’s special interests:
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 2:11 pm
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