re: Sig Sauer releases video of the engineering behind the P320...

6:20 mark of the other video clearly shows plenty of play before the wall was reached.

Another thing does this happen to a glock? Same video doesnt think so.

That could be where the issue for 320 begins. I am a Sig fan and have a legion 226 and a P365. Not dogging the company but when a certain model has had smoke surrounding its safety for so long I am not going to carry it. Just seems reckless to do so.

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Why aren’t a bunch of special forces guys that have 10s of thousands of rounds through them in combat coming out crapping on them

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Because US Army Special Forces uses Glock 19s....

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Why aren’t a bunch of special forces guys that have 10s of thousands of rounds through them in combat coming out crapping on them?

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You obviously know nothing about combat.

If “special forces guys” are shooting “10s of thousands of rounds in combat”, from their SECONDARY firearms, then prove this to me and I will mail you a check for $1000.

There has been very, very, very few…need I say minuscule amounts of handgun usage in combat by American forces in the GWOT.

And then you crap on law enforcement who carries handguns as PRIMARY weapons EVERYDAY.

So many internet tough guys with no experience about which they opine - including you.

In this particular case they are very similar discussions, and pistols are far simpler than engines.

Im of the opinion that most firearms can be made to fire "unintentionally" with the right combination of oddball inputs. In this case, with the 320 being a hot topic, a youtuber has all the incentive in the world to find and display that combination of stuff, which in this case seems to be holding the trigger back some amount and pulling up on the slide to disengage the sear.

Im not crazy about the design, and I wouldn't carry one, but not because youtubers are getting them to go off. I dont like striker fired guns that dont have external safeties. If I had to carry one, it'd be a glock, because the service record is undeniable and the trigger pull is not exceptionally light or short, and doesn't lend itself to being pulled accidentally. Its the closest one to a double action trigger, requiring a lot of travel and partially cocking the striker as well.

In this case, I think a lot of the negative press is ill founded. Look at the circumstances here. An airmen shoots someone and lies about it, and the internet is abound with videos of how the pistol could go off inside of a holster, yet that isn't what happened.

Im curious how sig will handle it. Perceived issues are very nearly as big a problem as real ones, and they'll have to do something more than release a video showing the pistol is safe.

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If “special forces guys” are shooting “10s of thousands of rounds in combat”, from their SECONDARY firearms, then prove this to me and I will mail you a check for $1000.

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Competitive shooters have put 10’s of thousands of rounds through P320’s. Why haven’t we heard about a P320 discharging at a match.

I’ve personally put a couple thousand through my P320’s and haven’t had an issue.

I have a 320. I put a gray guns trigger kit in it. I have put 1000 rds through it. Never an issue but I also know how to draw a gun from a holster. Most of the “accidental” discharges have been operator error. People always looking to blame someone or something else for their frickups. There are over 3 million P320’s in use all over the world. Google says there are 100 reported cases of accidental discharge. Those are people saying it not that it actually happens.

My dad bought a Colt GC in 1984. It was full auto out of the box. Colt had installed the sear incorrectly where it wasn’t fully engaging the disconnect. He sent it back to Colt to fix. I wanted to buy 30 rd 1911 mags instead.

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Most of the “accidental” discharges have been operator error.

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You can google Glock accidental discharge and there are numerous cases against glock.

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It's extremely difficult for me to take a video of a pistol with a nail shoved in the trigger seriously as proof that it has a design flaw.

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I took a P320 made sure the chamber was clear then pulled the trigger to the wall. I pushed the slide down, side to side, and also shook the pistol. The firing pin did not fall.

Sig P320 Discharges During Match

Here ya go. Sir, thats a safari land holster. There is nothing in the way, such as a shirt or undergarment to get caught in the trigger, and his finger is also not touching the trigger.

Oh, that one isnt clear enough? Another One! So there ya go.