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re: Shorter deer seasons, lower limits eyed by LDWF
Posted on 8/21/15 at 8:49 am to Citica8
Posted on 8/21/15 at 8:49 am to Citica8
Greed is powerful, deer greed is astonishing. I don't understand why folks want more rules and restrictions, shorter seasons, etc. to limit what their neighbor can shoot. Newsflash - those Boone and Croquet seed bucks will be cruising the wood long after your worm dirt, bro's. Shoot some deer, enjoy yourself, and as mentioned don't take the queer hunting shows as truth. I once watched Keith Warren shoot a deer in Ken Killen's deer pen on one of his shows - I could see the frickin fence! All those shows are to sell you gadgets and book hunts with whatever "outfitter" they're shooting with. 
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Posted on 8/21/15 at 8:59 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:You're so wrong on this that you get angry and lash out at people because they don't agree with you backassward views on hunting. It's hilarious
Hey buddy, who cornbread frick are you to judge what a man shoots and doesn't shoot within the law?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:01 am to White Bear
Right.
People who hunt WMAs want the state to constantly increase the rules to get bigger deer.
People who own property want to control what their neighbor can shoot and the state to increase rules to get bigger deer.
People in clubs want the club to constantly increase the rules, control what their neighbor shoots, and the state to increase rules to get bigger deer.
People who hunt WMAs want the state to constantly increase the rules to get bigger deer.
People who own property want to control what their neighbor can shoot and the state to increase rules to get bigger deer.
People in clubs want the club to constantly increase the rules, control what their neighbor shoots, and the state to increase rules to get bigger deer.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:03 am to White Bear
quote:Tell Tracey(sp?) I said hi.
Ken Killen's deer pen
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:07 am to Citica8
its just frustrating when we go to other states and see how healthy the herd is, then come back home to LA and see what we are lacking
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:10 am to White Bear
Ken's sister. 
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:15 am to Salmon
My lease is in Louisiana and ours is pretty great and looks to have been improving over the last 10 years. I don't see a problem.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:17 am to Salmon
It's really not complicated. We have an age issue and ratio issue. Why? 1.5 year old bucks walk in the daylight. They will walk and walk and walk until they get shot. They are easier to kill than does. The question is, how do we get age on our bucks and prevent skewed sex ratios? You have to somehow protect the 1.5s. I'd like to see the 2.5s get some protection as well, but the mouthbreathers would never go for that. Public land of course. I don't give a frick about what one does on their land as long as they don't fence it.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:20 am to mylsuhat
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Shooting an ugly rack does not improve heard genetics!
I've read literature that says different but to each his own. I'm not talking about shooting a spike that's 130 pounds. If the spike is 180+ pounds though, he's a cull and needs to go. Along with other things like no brows or no horns. There are very few seen on our place, but there are deer weighing 170+ pounds with a slick head and a set of nuts, if you want to leave that in your heard until it's 4 years old be my guest.
I'm not saying the rules should be changed, I just think the culture is a bit too trigger happy as a whole, and could be improved with getting information out to registered hunters on how to age deer and what just proper aging can do to improve what is killed.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:23 am to AlxTgr
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I don't give a frick about what one does on their land as long as they don't fence it.
I really do appreciate how passionate you are about fighting this losing battle
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:24 am to Salmon
Deer in the "delta" are as healthy as anywhere in the country. They have a few things going for them: terrain is mainly virgin, good genetics, and its expensive to hunt there so it's managed to ridiculous standards.
So unless the deer start eating sugarcane and rice, or the sugarcane and rice industry go overseas and are replaced by peanuts, soybeans and corn. Landowners get away from pine property, and then restrictions are adjusted the population is what it is
ETA - and hogs... can't forget hogs
So unless the deer start eating sugarcane and rice, or the sugarcane and rice industry go overseas and are replaced by peanuts, soybeans and corn. Landowners get away from pine property, and then restrictions are adjusted the population is what it is
ETA - and hogs... can't forget hogs
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:26 am to AlxTgr
quote:There is still a culture in this region who take issue shooting does, that doesn't help
The question is, how do we get age on our bucks and prevent skewed sex ratios?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:26 am to MillerMan
quote:I know that makes you feels better. Whatever it takes to live with yourself.
this losing battle
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:28 am to Citica8
quote:I know a large landowner stuck in this. He simply will not listen to anyone on it.
There is still a culture in this region who take issue shooting does, that doesn't help
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:33 am to AlxTgr
Places like Old River, Cat Island and the Atchafalaya Spillway come to mind
Posted on 8/21/15 at 9:57 am to AlxTgr
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The question is, how do we get age on our bucks and prevent skewed sex ratios?
Getting the information out is the only way, also changing buck tags to either sex tags could help because it will promote those hunters who are trying to fix the problem to be able to kill a limit of does if need be.
DMAP and other state management programs are good tools to utilize as well since you aren't limited to the tags you are issued by the LDWF on does, it's by the allotment for the land.
Another thing is to reach out to your neighbors. You can't control what others do, but if you all get together and talk about what you are doing and show proof of following self imposed guidelines others will be more inclined to start letting deer walk if they are trusting others are doing the same.
Open forum discussions such as this is helpful too, talks of turning places around helps to get it out there that there is a light at the end of the tunnel even if the first few years could be a struggle.
On our place we started out with very few big bucks coming into shooting areas or being nocturnal but since we've been aging deer better and sacrificed a few years to doe and cull management we are seeing more and more 3+ year old deer during hunting hours and in shooting areas. Add in some trophies that are hanging for hunters that have hunted there it keeps getting better and better with each passing year. We also keep a good relationship with our neighbors and have a substantial amount of acres all striving towards guidelines to promote a healthy doe to buck ratio and proper aging of when to take a trophy buck.
Not everyone's guidelines are the same and some are more lenient than others but the general attitude is the same.
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I know a large landowner stuck in this. He simply will not listen to anyone on it.
This is tough to overcome for sure but an isolated owner can be overcome if those around him/her work at it.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 8/21/15 at 10:05 am to Citica8
This is a hot topic for me too..... sorry I'm late to the discussion.
I can't stand backwards thinking and hearing people say "we ain't got no Boone and Crockett deer around here anyway"
or "I see a doe and all I can see is future fawns"
1. we won't ever know what kind of deer we have if we are always shooting 3 year old and less deer. We may not have woods full of 160+ bucks but the odds of having one every now and then go way up when 75% of your bucks reach age 5.
2. Whether they have horns or not they are all competing for food. What people don't understand is that having fewer deer could mean having healthier deer. Does need to be managed, whether people want to admit it or not. You don't have to kill them all but at the very least, kill one for every buck you take.
South Arkansas is much like Louisiana in that we have a lot of backwards thinkers when it comes to wildlife management. The 3 point rule in Arkansas has helped but in my opinion we still need more antler restrictions if we want to see the full potential of our deer herd.
I'm a bowhunter who will also rifle hunt but I think our rifle season is too long and it's WAY shorter than Louisiana's.
I can't stand backwards thinking and hearing people say "we ain't got no Boone and Crockett deer around here anyway"
or "I see a doe and all I can see is future fawns"
1. we won't ever know what kind of deer we have if we are always shooting 3 year old and less deer. We may not have woods full of 160+ bucks but the odds of having one every now and then go way up when 75% of your bucks reach age 5.
2. Whether they have horns or not they are all competing for food. What people don't understand is that having fewer deer could mean having healthier deer. Does need to be managed, whether people want to admit it or not. You don't have to kill them all but at the very least, kill one for every buck you take.
South Arkansas is much like Louisiana in that we have a lot of backwards thinkers when it comes to wildlife management. The 3 point rule in Arkansas has helped but in my opinion we still need more antler restrictions if we want to see the full potential of our deer herd.
I'm a bowhunter who will also rifle hunt but I think our rifle season is too long and it's WAY shorter than Louisiana's.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 10:14 am to PinevilleTiger
quote:
Anybody over 18 who revels in the glory of killing anything less than a buck that's going on the wall is a sad arse excuse
You watch too much tv.
You know some people actually like to eat venison and are not concerned with what's on a deer's head.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 10:20 am to Scrowe
quote:
Getting the information out is the only way, also changing buck tags to either sex tags could help because it will promote those hunters who are trying to fix the problem to be able to kill a limit of does if need be.
DMAP and other state management programs are good tools to utilize as well since you aren't limited to the tags you are issued by the LDWF on does, it's by the allotment for the land.
Another thing is to reach out to your neighbors. You can't control what others do, but if you all get together and talk about what you are doing and show proof of following self imposed guidelines others will be more inclined to start letting deer walk if they are trusting others are doing the same.
Open forum discussions such as this is helpful too, talks of turning places around helps to get it out there that there is a light at the end of the tunnel even if the first few years could be a struggle.
On our place we started out with very few big bucks coming into shooting areas or being nocturnal but since we've been aging deer better and sacrificed a few years to doe and cull management we are seeing more and more 3+ year old deer during hunting hours and in shooting areas. Add in some trophies that are hanging for hunters that have hunted there it keeps getting better and better with each passing year. We also keep a good relationship with our neighbors and have a substantial amount of acres all striving towards guidelines to promote a healthy doe to buck ratio and proper aging of when to take a trophy buck.
Not everyone's guidelines are the same and some are more lenient than others but the general attitude is the same.
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