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re: Shooting spikes
Posted on 10/29/12 at 8:09 pm to gorillacoco
Posted on 10/29/12 at 8:09 pm to gorillacoco
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i'm pretty sure that rack development in first year is largely determined by how early/late in the year the buck is born.
I'm pretty sure that you're 100% correct and most people completely neglect this huge factor.
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Posted on 10/29/12 at 9:16 pm to MillerMan
173, I am not that guy, but what were the dimensions, doesn't look o have anything other than freakish 2s...
Posted on 10/29/12 at 9:20 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Give me a reason not to. My idea is that a 1 year old with good genetics should be better than a spike his first year. I know a spike can grow to a decent racked buck but wouldn't the less than desireable gentetics be better of taken out?
I'll give you a good reason to shoot them, because you like to eat deer meat.
On a serious note, depends on if the buck fawn was born early the following summer or late as to how well developed his antlers are. It also depends on nutrition and genetics.
This post was edited on 10/30/12 at 9:15 am
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:33 pm to REB BEER
In Arkansas it's illegal, we have to adhere to 3pt on one side. Even if it's a 3yo 14 in spike. I hate state mandated regulations.
I say shoot whatever the hell you want to.
I say shoot whatever the hell you want to.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 6:19 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Do you want spikes breeding your does 
Posted on 10/30/12 at 8:47 am to tigerfoot
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173, I am not that guy, but what were the dimensions, doesn't look o have anything other than freakish 2s...
I don't know the exact dimensions but their ranch is under the state MLD management program (as is ours) so you have to score, weigh and catalogue all deer shot. I trust this guys scoring.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 8:56 am to DieselTiger1
Only time to shoot a spike if he is a big bodied Cattle Horn cull bastard.
Then you shoot him in the fricking face.
Then you shoot him in the fricking face.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 8:57 am to SmackoverHawg
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shoot whatever the hell you want
Posted on 10/30/12 at 9:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Shooting spikes
are for losers
Posted on 10/30/12 at 9:28 am to mikeytig
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"It appears from our data that the spikes and 3-pointers are genetically equal at birth to multi-point yearlings for antler growth potential," Dr. Kroll concludes. "It just seems to take some deer a little longer to show their capability. The trick is, you have to let them grow up before it becomes obvious. Genetics certainly is an interesting aspect of whitetail management, and fun to debate around the campfire, but genetics is the least important of all the factors leading to the production of quality bucks." So should spikes, or, for that matter, any bucks, ever be culled from the herd? According to Dr. Kroll, perhaps in some cases. "...culling bucks is a very complicated issue," Dr. Kroll says. "In our opinion, instead of trying to cull bucks, landowners and hunters are far better off focusing their attention on things they can do something about, such as nutrition
quote:Wish this mentality would go away
We should all do our part in trying to shoot more does. It's essential for the welfare of the herd."
Posted on 10/30/12 at 9:30 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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We should all do our part in trying to shoot more does. It's essential for the welfare of the herd."
Every time i shoot a slick head... i say this phrase...
I also heard shooting a doe with a button buck, will make the button buck stay around longer. It is said that the mama doe will run his arse out of dodge, when he gets to old to suck that tit.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 9:39 am to thedice20
quote:Ive heard that also. Yearling bucks get pushed out as natures way from keeping inbreeding down
It is said that the mama doe will run his arse out of dodge, when he gets to old to suck that tit.
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We should all do our part in trying to shoot more does. It's essential for the welfare of the herd."
Every time i shoot a slick head... i say this phrase...
Ive witnessed the results of this. Have mixed feelings
Posted on 10/30/12 at 9:52 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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We should all do our part in trying to shoot more does. It's essential for the welfare of the herd."
Every time i shoot a slick head... i say this phrase...
Ive witnessed the results of this. Have mixed feelings
Mixed feelings? Have you witnessed adverse effects of keeping a lower buck:doe ratio? We did not do a good job of this the first few years after we put up our high fence and we are still dealing with the issue. We are going to have to kill a lot of deer this year as a result, and some are going to have to be young bucks unfortunately. Having too many deer can seriously effect your herd in my experience.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 10:32 am to FelicianaTigerfan
they're all giant rats with antlers. kill em all and let God sort em out. oh, wait, God doesn't care about deer.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 10:34 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Mixed feelings? You're gonna have to elaborate for this to make sense.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 10:53 am to MillerMan
quote:Pretty sure you are the only one talking about high fence situations.
put up our high fence
quote:For me to elaborate would be a definite tl:dr
BarDTigers81
Guess its all in what you want out your property.
This post was edited on 10/30/12 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/30/12 at 10:57 am to FelicianaTigerfan
So an overpopulation of deer never happens on low fenced properties?
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:04 am to MillerMan
Not anywhere I'm at. I bring lots of death to the woods
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:05 am to MillerMan
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overpopulation
Just to clarify im not talking about piney woods of N.La or drought stricken Tx You'll bust your arse on acorns and pecans right now where I am. Not to mention the privet and other briars and bushes, countless rye grass field and clover in the spring.
1:1 ratio is awesome, dont get me wrong. In the last 8 years everyone around us has gone to the mentality of kill a ton of does and they are shooting more than they can eat and killing just to kill. Before it was nothing to see 15 deer a hunt and several good bucks killed each year and many more seen on trail cameras. Now you're lucky to see 15 deer a season. A hot doe will have 4 or 5 bucks in tow but I guess you have to have does to have hot ones.
This post was edited on 10/30/12 at 11:19 am
Posted on 10/30/12 at 3:53 pm to Judge Smails
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The book you referenced is on my night stand. It's named "A Practical Guide to Producing and Harvesting White-tailed Deer". I had the opportunity to hear Dr. Kroll speak in the fall of 2011. In their study there was no definitive way to tell if a buck would be a trophy due to his antler size as a yearling.
Judge, Yeah, that's the book. It's PACKED w/ good info.
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