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re: Shooting spikes
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:42 pm to The Last Coco
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:42 pm to The Last Coco
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I guess, from a management standpoint are you very rigid, or is there some inherent flexibility?
There is some flexibility. My dad has no interest in shooting a monster, he loves shooting big management deer though. So if we have one that needs to go we let him shoot him if he wants or a family member or guest. My brother and I will give him all the advice in the world on what to shoot but the decision to bring the hammer down on something is ultimately his though. I have a huge 8 pt on my wall I killed 2 years ago. I agree a monster 8 is a very very cool lookin deer and a trophy in my book.
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Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:42 pm to fishfighter
I went hunting at my uncles lease a few years ago and they had a 6 point or better rule there. After being in the stand for a few hours this spike walks out and has 12" spikes. The fact that I couldn't cull this genetic freak out of their herd without getting fined $100 baffled me.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:43 pm to MillerMan
Something about a monster 8 is awesome IMO. Nice, wide, super clean...awesome
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:43 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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If I'm meat hunting wouldn't it be better to take out one of these spikes rather than a healthy doe? Especially in an area where deer don't need thinning out.
If you have a balanced, healthy deer herd, I would lean more toward taking out a mature doe. Preferably one without a spotted fawn in tow. But, if you have a balanced, healthy deer herd, taking out anything short of an obviously genetically gifted 2.5y/o or 3.5y/o buck is going to be fine in my opinion.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:44 pm to fishfighter
No button bucks, but a cowhorn spike gotta go.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:50 pm to DieselTiger1
Our neighbors son killed this big 8 this past weekend. Not too shabby
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:52 pm to MillerMan
Damn. G2's could use some more length, but I guess I would shoot it. heh.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:00 pm to MillerMan
Tangent: I am getting tired of the whole "hold the horns close to the camera" photo that makes horns look bigger than the hunter. If the optical illusion were true, the deer couldn't walk through the woods.
Back on spikes: Everything I have read is that nutrition trumps genetics in most cases (not talking about high-fenced) and that almost all spikes grow to the same size as small racked young bucks.
Back on spikes: Everything I have read is that nutrition trumps genetics in most cases (not talking about high-fenced) and that almost all spikes grow to the same size as small racked young bucks.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:03 pm to LSUisBetterthanU
Against the law to shoot em in Mississippi !
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:06 pm to MillerMan
Jizz in my pants....
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:14 pm to TigerDeacon
He scored 173 and that kid is 15. You can hold a 173" 8 pt any way you want to, he is going to look freakishly big 
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:15 pm to TigerDeacon
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Everything I have read is that nutrition trumps genetics in most cases
This, and like some others have said there's a big difference between a spike and a cowhorn.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:35 pm to DieselTiger1
quote:I have seen spikes turn out to be 180 class deer,but genetics play a big part in that.
you dont really know what he'll be until hes 3 or 4. a spike can grow to be much more then a decent buck. stop shooting them and stick to it, and you'll see.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:40 pm to thanksjhester
This arguement is on most every outdoor board I go on.
The way I see it is, it is YOUR hunt. Shoot what you want to dress and eat. Period. If it makes you happy, kill it. I am not against killing a spike. I am not against killing a huge buck. I mainly hunt for meat and enjoyment and relaxation.
Too much emphasis is put on what a "trophy" deer is IMO. Eye of the beholder.
The way I see it is, it is YOUR hunt. Shoot what you want to dress and eat. Period. If it makes you happy, kill it. I am not against killing a spike. I am not against killing a huge buck. I mainly hunt for meat and enjoyment and relaxation.
Too much emphasis is put on what a "trophy" deer is IMO. Eye of the beholder.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 5:54 pm to AlmaDawg
If you don't care about management then shoot your 1.5 and younger spikes. No way you know what they will be. In fact I saw a study once that showed spikes actually became larger than forked antlered 1.5 yo deer. A spike could turn out to be a 200" freak one day or a 110" 8 point. A forked 1.5 yo could be a 200" freak one day or a 110" 8 point.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 6:09 pm to Rebman601
I am not trolling. Deer management works if you get help from the neighboring properties. I do not have that luxury.
There are some clubs around here that try and trophy manage bucks, but as soon as the nice 2 year old 8 point with a lot of potential crosses the property line, he gets shot.
I shoot deer for food. If I kill a big buck, great! If I kill a 2 year old basket racked 7 point (like I did) great! If I kill a doe, great!
Georgia has a 2 buck max. 1 deer has to have 4 points on one side, one does not.
There are some clubs around here that try and trophy manage bucks, but as soon as the nice 2 year old 8 point with a lot of potential crosses the property line, he gets shot.
I shoot deer for food. If I kill a big buck, great! If I kill a 2 year old basket racked 7 point (like I did) great! If I kill a doe, great!
Georgia has a 2 buck max. 1 deer has to have 4 points on one side, one does not.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 6:48 pm to Lsuwannabe
when we still had woods behind our house.. we got to "know" about a dozen or so deer.. especially a little spike - the next year he was a neat basket racked 6.. the next year...
anyone on here would have shot him....
anyone on here would have shot him....
Posted on 10/29/12 at 7:00 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
LINK
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Hunters of free-ranging whitetails cannot manage genetics through selective harvest and produce measurable genetic change. Period
Posted on 10/29/12 at 7:06 pm to TigerDeacon
quote:This plus half of a deers genetics come from the doe so unless you really know your herd you can't hardly cull for genetics. Plus who's to say that wimpy spike won't sire a 250+ megabuck.
Everything I have read is that nutrition trumps genetics
Posted on 10/29/12 at 8:06 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
The book you referenced is on my night stand. It's named "A Practical Guide to Producing and Harvesting White-tailed Deer". I had the opportunity to hear Dr. Kroll speak in the fall of 2011. In their study there was no definitive way to tell if a buck would be a trophy due to his antler size as a yearling.
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