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re: Serious question for the AR, AK, SKS folks
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:38 pm to TigerTatorTots
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:38 pm to TigerTatorTots
wolf, Monarch, brown bear.
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Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:39 pm to Crawdaddy
Sweet. One reason for the AK purchase is cheap as hell rounds. Nearly half the price as .223
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:39 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Buncha paranoid loons
So, you really don't get the 2nd amendment?
You see, in the late 1700's, (not that long ago really) this tyrannical government sought to tell a little country, soon to be a sovereign nation that they couldn't do as they wished. and that they would kill them if they tried to be free and sovereign. the little country told them they'd be willing to fight for it.
that little country is now arguably the greatest country of all time... and it was forge on firearms and freedom.
you see, GUNS are the reason we are where we are. literally.
you see it as far fetched that a government would be tyrannical, but in actuality it happened to us not long ago, and happens all the time ALL AROUND THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
guess i'm just for lame things like freedom, country and self preservation.
This post was edited on 12/20/12 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:40 pm to meauxjeaux2
You had a drink or two this evening bud?
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:42 pm to m2pro
keep toying with the 2nd amendment then we can move to 1 4 5 and others if we feel like making adjustments to them. 19. I mean do women really need to vote for all elections?
This post was edited on 12/20/12 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:43 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Nahh,I quit drinking. Just laying in bed,sick,trying to pass the time film I can go back to sleep. Nobody wants to address my post about semi auto vs. Full auto. Makes MOJO sad panda. 
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:43 pm to meauxjeaux2
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meauxjeaux2
I think every citizen should be forced TO own a gun and trained to use it, and that the government should fund THAT junk.
there are governments that are currently brutalizing their citizens and imposing their force to get anything and everything they want. to act like our own government would never do this to us is just asinine ... you're an AMERICAN! should we ourselves NOT understand this better than any country in the world?
you think the federal government is civil?
look up operation northwoods, dude!
This post was edited on 12/20/12 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:44 pm to meauxjeaux2
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Why is this even the argument.
On Full Auto? I don't think it should be, but we can't have them w/o a song and dance and a tax stamp.
There are plenty of laws on the books. The Government chooses when and how to enforce them and this always ends with less freedom for the individual. I am not for the government pulling a knee jerk reaction over this. The whole movement is a ruse. Do you actually think with the saturation of guns in this country that criminals will be denied guns? WTF? That is naive and dangerous. When 1,000 Mexicans can walk across the border in McAllen, TX in a single night? How are we going to regulate guns? Please. Criminals will ignore these laws....they are ignoring other ones when they commit crimes.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:46 pm to m2pro
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you see, GUNS are the reason we are where we are. literally.
That big arse post for what? Nobody is advocating removing firearms from citizens. Wouldn't hurt my feelings on bit if they did decide to make some types of weapons unavailable to the public though.
Tell me,why aren't grenade launchers or silencers available to us? I mean,they're part of a gun aren't they?
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:49 pm to meauxjeaux2
I don't get your point in regards to semi vs full auto 
I'm not really sure honestly I think they should be legal. Why do you think they arent?
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Tell me,why aren't grenade launchers or silencers available to us? I mean,they're part of a gun aren't they?
I'm not really sure honestly I think they should be legal. Why do you think they arent?
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:51 pm to meauxjeaux2
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Wouldn't hurt my feelings on bit if they did decide to make some types of weapons unavailable to the public though.
like?
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:51 pm to meauxjeaux2
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why aren't grenade launchers or silencers available to us?
They are. I have them.
I did not get the grenade launcher due to the necessity of filing a stamp for each destructive device. 39mm under rifle mount. Shoots grenades, gas, smoke, and flash bangs. Lots of cash to shoot one of those due to the $800 per grenade and $200 stamp...then paperwork to the ATF explaining why you are short "X" amount of grenades on your inventory
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:51 pm to meauxjeaux2
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Tell me,why aren't grenade launchers or silencers available to us? I mean,they're part of a gun aren't they?
I don't see why those shouldn't be legal to us at all.
Bullets are -really- simple to fire and not blow the world up... so, in terms of your grenade launcher argument, I would simply say that it's a BAD analogy because guns are guns. Fully auto or not...
grenade launchers are a whole other galaxy of weapon. i DO however think something like this ought to be legal, but of course... something like that would have to be extremely regulated in terms of training and license upkeep. almost like you should be required to come to a range/take a test thing to keep current.. like a pilot.
i'm not saying there shouldn't be some sort of line... civilians shouldn't get access to a nuclear warhead, for example.... of course. but something that is simple enough to use and fairly idiot proof in terms of mechanics? i think we ought to be able to use anything like that.
*edit*
i have given all of 1 minute while responding to consider the weapons you mentioned. not saying i think we ought to have the right to own grenade launchers for sure or not... but i SIDE on freedom first and then go from there.
This post was edited on 12/20/12 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:54 pm to Grunt Actual
quote:you keep hearing people say,"they're not as dangerous,they're not military rifles like the full auto M16's which looks a lot like the AR15's"
I don't get your point in regards to semi vs full auto
That's what I'm talking about.
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I'm not really sure honestly I think they should be legal. Why do you think they arent?
I'm saying,the government had already made some aspects of firearms illegal for us to won already and you don't hear people complaining about that. Who gives one shite if they decide to make illegal guns that look and perform like those used by our military just as long as we get to keep guns period.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 10:58 pm to meauxjeaux2
They arent illegal. They are perfectly legal, you just buy a stamp.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 11:01 pm to RATeamWannabe
What about silencers?
Who would be happy to have their AR require a $400 stamp Everytime they went to shoot it? Might not be completely illegal as far as the grenade launcher goes but the government has made the use of them so impractical that hardly nobody can afford to use them.
Who would be happy to have their AR require a $400 stamp Everytime they went to shoot it? Might not be completely illegal as far as the grenade launcher goes but the government has made the use of them so impractical that hardly nobody can afford to use them.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 11:01 pm to meauxjeaux2
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you keep hearing people say,"they're not as dangerous,they're not military rifles like the full auto M16's which looks a lot like the AR15's"
I have not seen a single person say this. All I've seen people do is clarify that an AR-15 by definition is NOT an assault rifle.
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I'm saying,the government had already made some aspects of firearms illegal for us to won already and you don't hear people complaining about that. Who gives one shite if they decide to make illegal guns that look and perform like those used by our military just as long as we get to keep guns period.
maybe the people you're around don't complain but talk to some others that have had to go through the process of getting a suppressor or class 3 and get back to usPosted on 12/20/12 at 11:01 pm to meauxjeaux2
Silencers/suppressors are.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 11:02 pm to meauxjeaux2
You do know that in Switzerland you are required by law to keep and maintain a battle rifle as a male citizen. They are not exactly tearing up Europe on rampages...but they remember a country that did. An unarmed nation is a weak nation. The threat of civilian uprising will forever prevent tyranny in this country. Why would anyone want to remove one of the few things that guarantee that freedom?
Israel is the same...own and carry a weapon.
Why are we blaming the gun? It was the mother/father lack of supervision for a nut job that caused all this. We are too concerned with people's "Feelings" and not wanting to offend anyone. What about the decline of and total lack of parental supervision these days? The gun is the tool, not the problem.
Israel is the same...own and carry a weapon.
Why are we blaming the gun? It was the mother/father lack of supervision for a nut job that caused all this. We are too concerned with people's "Feelings" and not wanting to offend anyone. What about the decline of and total lack of parental supervision these days? The gun is the tool, not the problem.
Posted on 12/20/12 at 11:03 pm to meauxjeaux2
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you keep hearing people say,"they're not as dangerous,they're not military rifles like the full auto M16's which looks a lot like the AR15's"
Well if it's the same assault weapons ban as the previous one, the banned weapons aren't really any more dangerous than the legal ones you have left to choose from. There was an article on the poli board, that downshift posted here somewhere, that said that less than 2% of gun crime is committed with guns that were considered "assault weapons" by the previous ban.
Not so much that I care whether I can have an AR or not, because I don't, but banning them would be dumb because it wouldn't accomplish anything.
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