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re: Proposed LA H/F License Increases
Posted on 5/6/21 at 5:51 am to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 5/6/21 at 5:51 am to Cowboyfan89
I believe LDWF gets their money it's mainly from license sales but there are other revenue sources from the state which have been cut dramatically like most other state agencies. I don't believe there has been a ton of mismanagement.
Look everyone wants to have great public land hunting and fishing experiences, the only way to ensure we can still have them is to provide the LDWF with a way to do it. I am not against the increases EXCEPT for registering pirogues, that seems nuts. I'm sure I'm in the minority but I don't have a problem paying a few extra dollars a year if it ensures my children will have access to hunting and fishing in our state for years to come.
Look everyone wants to have great public land hunting and fishing experiences, the only way to ensure we can still have them is to provide the LDWF with a way to do it. I am not against the increases EXCEPT for registering pirogues, that seems nuts. I'm sure I'm in the minority but I don't have a problem paying a few extra dollars a year if it ensures my children will have access to hunting and fishing in our state for years to come.
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 6:17 am to Da Hammer
Agreed. Everyone wants to jump to mismanagement everytime it involves government, when reality is mosy likely just what you said.
Louisiana is a cheap state to hunt and fish in. The pirogue requirement is idiotic, and really the only reason I oppose this bill. Having to register a paddle boat is a clear money grab, unless there is some precedent set by other states for this type of registration. Even then, telling me I have to register a pirogue with no good explanation for it just reeks of "give me more money".
But an increase in license prices, which is actually very slight, doesn't bother me. One of the biggest increases is to basic fish, and it's actually taking over $100 worth of licenses and rolling them into one $17 license. Waterfowl and Turkey are jumping up as well, but it's still only $12/each/year.
And the lifetime license, even at $1000, is still a deal. It covers $111 worth of individual licenses, so in 9 years, it pays for itself.
Louisiana is a cheap state to hunt and fish in. The pirogue requirement is idiotic, and really the only reason I oppose this bill. Having to register a paddle boat is a clear money grab, unless there is some precedent set by other states for this type of registration. Even then, telling me I have to register a pirogue with no good explanation for it just reeks of "give me more money".
But an increase in license prices, which is actually very slight, doesn't bother me. One of the biggest increases is to basic fish, and it's actually taking over $100 worth of licenses and rolling them into one $17 license. Waterfowl and Turkey are jumping up as well, but it's still only $12/each/year.
And the lifetime license, even at $1000, is still a deal. It covers $111 worth of individual licenses, so in 9 years, it pays for itself.
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 6:18 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 6:35 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:I wonder how common this is though. I bought lifetime long ago, and I would not be in that group. Heck, many years I would have only purchased basic fishing. Deer, duck and salt would have been last minute.
assuming you hunt and fish everything.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 6:38 am to Cowboyfan89
“We want your money upfront now”
.....
“Oh shite, we didn’t manage that money very well.....we are going to need more money.....lemme tax that boogie board.”
.....
“Oh shite, we didn’t manage that money very well.....we are going to need more money.....lemme tax that boogie board.”
Posted on 5/6/21 at 7:36 am to Purple Spoon
quote:
You peasants must pay to hunt the kings wildlife!!!!!!
it's our wildlife. we let the state manage it for us. one of the few things the government does a (mostly) decent job of.
WLF page that shows the increases
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 7:39 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 7:39 am to Loup
The cost of everything we/they use has increased. Gas, trucks, boats, etc
Only makes sense
Only makes sense
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:04 am to Ron Cheramie
"Sir, we made a HUUUGE mistake by offering lifetime licenses and not really managing that money very well. We, now, are out of money and I see you you have a 5 -tone whistle, and not the 7-tone whistle we just mandated 3 weeks ago on your life preserver that has a tear in it. Have you not been keeping up on our website with critical updates?"
"Missing the correct whistle is a $300 fine while the tear in the floatation device is another $150. We want to thank you for using our fisheries and keeping me employed.......oh, is that a treble hook on that lure?"
"Missing the correct whistle is a $300 fine while the tear in the floatation device is another $150. We want to thank you for using our fisheries and keeping me employed.......oh, is that a treble hook on that lure?"
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:05 am to Da Hammer
quote:
Da Hammer
The calm, cool, collected voice of the people.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:31 am to Da Hammer
quote:
I am not against the increases EXCEPT for registering pirogues,
This is the craziest part to me. "Paddle craft" Where do you draw the line?
Pirogue? Kayak? Paddleboard? These have to be registered?
What if the kayak or paddleboard is inflatable?
What if I paddle it with my hands?
I paddle my boogie board with my hands. That too?
Now that I think about it, I paddle around with my hands while sitting on a pool noodle.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:33 am to White Bear
quote:Don Dubuc had an LDWF higher up on his show 2 weeks ago to talk about the proposal. According to the LDWF guy, a huge chunk of their annual budget revenue used to come from oil and gas royalties from WMA's. But when the price of oil dropped, it put a big dent in their revenues. And he claimed that they've been having to add expenditures to deal with problems that didn't exist in LA 15-20 years ago....trying to keep CWD out and trying to control invasive salvinia and wild hogs. They upload the weekly radio show as a podcast, so worth going back for a listen. It was the April 17 show starting at about the 19 minute mark.
They need the increased fees to hire more green jeans to collect fines.
I think he laid out a decent argument for the license increases. I do like that the proposal simplifies the licenses with fishing licenses including recreational gear like crab/crawfish traps and the deer license including primitive and archery to cut down on having to buy so many different licenses (and risk a Walmart or Academy employee leaving one off by mistake if you don't double check). But full disclosure, I have a lifetime license.
ETA: I do think its stupid to require a registration for unmotorized kayaks and canoes though.
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:38 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:
Lifetime licenses have cost the state millions.
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That's $100k not going into habitat management, or research.
The lifetime license was a stupid, short-sighted decision.
A) it didnt cost the state anything, its not their fricking money. How did it cost the state anything?
B) saying not going into habitat managment and research is fricking laughable. More like going into administration of projects that have done shite for the hunting and fishing in this state. More along the lines of paying friends and relatives to just work.
Since LDWF starting doing all of this habitat management and research...has hunting and fishing gotten better or worse?
Some of you will blame it on more hunters and fisherman....and that is not really true. Although populatin has increased the % of people involved in these activities has decreased to offset the population growth. Throw in the fact that everything is leased or requires a permit not and hardly anyone % wise hunts and fishes anymore.
the comment about paying to hunt the kings wildlife is 100% correct. This is nothing but more removal of freedoms and more bullshite control. I shouldnt even have to pay to feed my family, just more horseshite from a corrupt government.
LDWF is just as corrupt and inept as the worst state organizations. frick em.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:43 am to AlxTgr
quote:I didn't duck hunt until after I already had a lifetime, but prior to that I was buying basic and saltwater fishing, basic hunt, big game, archery, primitive weapon, and WMA permit. It was $85-90 a year. Lifetime license paid for itself in 6 years.
quote:
assuming you hunt and fish everything.
I wonder how common this is though. I bought lifetime long ago, and I would not be in that group. Heck, many years I would have only purchased basic fishing. Deer, duck and salt would have been last minute.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:43 am to dstone12
quote:
“Oh shite, we didn’t manage that money very well.....we are going to need more money.....lemme tax that boogie board.”
quote:
dstone12
you seem to be the only one that understands this is nothing more than a power grab and tax increase.
to thoe saying everyone wants good public land but doesnt want to pay for it....was hunting and fishing better before LDWF took over "managing" these lands or after?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:48 am to lsu777
quote:
nothing more than a power grab and tax increase. to thoe saying everyone wants good public land but doesnt want to pay for it....was hunting and fishing better before LDWF took over "managing" these lands or after?
Some of the best public lands in the country are in Missouri but it’s 100% due to their taxes. A percentage of every sale goes to the Missouri Dept of conservation.
You want nice things, you have to pay for it
I would vote for it, but would feel like I was in the minority even amongst sportsmen
Also the main problem with Louisiana public lands are Louisianans. We trash up everything and fail to abide by the rules. Go to any public campground at a wma or boat ramp or lord forbid a public fishing/crabbing hole and its disgusting
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:49 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:This is going to be an every year, huge expenditure, forevermore.
control invasive salvinia
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:52 am to Ron Cheramie
FWIW, the majority of the license increases are going to be in the commercial fishing sector and LA residents will actually have their hunting license costs go down
LINK
EX:
For Deer Hunting
Current: Basic Hunting ($15) + Res Big Game ($14) = $29
Add Ons: Res Bow ($10.50), Res. Primitive Firearm ($10.50) = Additional $21
Proposed: Basic Hunting ($20) + Res Deer ($15) = $35
Bow and Primitive Included
LINK
EX:
For Deer Hunting
Current: Basic Hunting ($15) + Res Big Game ($14) = $29
Add Ons: Res Bow ($10.50), Res. Primitive Firearm ($10.50) = Additional $21
Proposed: Basic Hunting ($20) + Res Deer ($15) = $35
Bow and Primitive Included
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:55 am to lsu777
quote:Loss of a ton of future revenue from license fees. I was paying almost $90/year for hunting and fishing licenses before I bought a lifetime 5 or 6 years ago. Now that lifetime license has practically paid for itself and LDWF won't see another dime of license fees from me the rest of my life and I'm only 37. I have no idea how many people have lifetime licenses in the state, but I know quite a few people who do and they're all pretty young too. LDWF took the quick influx of cash with the $500 lifetime license but gave up decades of license revenue in return.
A) it didnt cost the state anything, its not their fricking money. How did it cost the state anything?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:01 am to Ron Cheramie
quote:Totally agree. It has a lot to do with the economic situation of lots of people down here but with the amount of littering and general disregard for the land, we are FAR from Sportsman's Paradise
Also the main problem with Louisiana public lands are Louisianans. We trash up everything and fail to abide by the rules. Go to any public campground at a wma or boat ramp or lord forbid a public fishing/crabbing hole and its disgusting
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:02 am to lsu777
quote:the wildlife is for the people, not for the person and the state is entrusted with the protection of those animals
the comment about paying to hunt the kings wildlife is 100% correct. This is nothing but more removal of freedoms and more bullshite control. I shouldnt even have to pay to feed my family, just more horseshite from a corrupt government.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:04 am to Cowboyfan89
Need to jack up out of state licenses, seems thats what other states are doing.
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