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re: Poling skiffs in Louisiana
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:34 pm to Dock Holiday
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:34 pm to Dock Holiday
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Action Craft 1720 or Hewes Redfiser.
Both nice boats but they draw a foot of water and even more to get on plane. They are also both beasts on the pole. Fantastic boats for long runs to those big bull redfish but probably not something you would want to pole all day in the interior.
edit- Do we think that the opportunity to run 25 miles or navigate the passes in Venice outweigh the ability to fish deep into the interior marsh?
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 2:40 pm
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 3:05 pm to Barf
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Both nice boats but they draw a foot of water and even more to get on plane. They are also both beasts on the pole.
Look a little closer, I was replying to Alx desire for a hybrid flats, which they both fit the type.
Not something I'm interested in not, but I've owned one before
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:04 pm to Dock Holiday
Only you can answer this question but would you rather pole then set the pole down to cast then pick up the pole to adjust then put it down to cast
Or
Sit in a seat and troll with a trolling motor while casting and fishing never putting the pole down.
I have never poled so this is just a thought.
Or
Sit in a seat and troll with a trolling motor while casting and fishing never putting the pole down.
I have never poled so this is just a thought.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:12 pm to Barf
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Do we think that the opportunity to run 25 miles or navigate the passes in Venice outweigh the ability to fish deep into the interior marsh?
In short, yes, though your examples are a little hyperbolic. You seem convinced that the average LA fisherman's highest priority is to stalk reds in 6" of water and is willing to sacrifice a lot (an entire side of Venice in fact) for the ability to do that. That's why it's hard to take your "question" seriously.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:13 pm to bird35
Poling is typically a two man job. A hunter and a caster if you will. I take a lot of shots from the poling platform but it can be tricky to make quick shots at fish behind the boat or try and drop a fly on a cruising redfish after a blown shot by the guy up front.
Ovbiously everything is a trade off. Trolling motors are great for covering a big flat in just a few minutes rather than poling it for an hour.
Given how much shallow water we have, it's just a little surprising to me that more people don't have light weight technical poling skiffs. Especially given the popularity of kayak fishing.
Ovbiously everything is a trade off. Trolling motors are great for covering a big flat in just a few minutes rather than poling it for an hour.
Given how much shallow water we have, it's just a little surprising to me that more people don't have light weight technical poling skiffs. Especially given the popularity of kayak fishing.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:17 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Why would I spend $40k on something with very limited capability to use in a state where your options are limited only by your boat?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:23 pm to Dock Holiday
quote:That looks really nice.
Hewes Redfiser.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:25 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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In short, yes, though your examples are a little hyperbolic. You seem convinced that the average LA fisherman's highest priority is to stalk reds in 6" of water and is willing to sacrifice a lot (an entire side of Venice in fact) for the ability to do that. That's why it's hard to take your "question" seriously
I'm of the opinion the correct answer is to own two boats but that's out of the question for most for obvious reasons.
The question that you seem to think is dumb is given the fact we have more shallow water than deep, why don't more people make the sacrifice for that shallow water ability.
I guess a better question would be, if you could only have one boat, would you rather have open water capability or shallow water capability. A little bit of both is certainly possible. That boat won't do anything well, but it will perform adequately in multiple areas. It won't get too shallow, but it will get shallow enough, and it will handle a little chop and likely not beat you to death if things get real nasty.
If I can only have one, I'm taking the poling skiff. I can fish it like a kayak and make huge runs on perfect days. But that's just like, my opinion, man.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:42 pm to Barf
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The question that you seem to think is dumb is given the fact we have more shallow water than deep, why don't more people make the sacrifice for that shallow water ability.
Because in my experience, to access these vast shallow meccas, one must usually cross deep water. There may be millions of acres of shallow marsh in LA, but if I can't get there safely then it's useless to me. People don't tend to sacrifice on their main boat because jons and kayaks are cheap but you can't add length to a skiff when you find out there's nasty chop between you and the trout the one weekend your kid doesn't have travel ball.
I'm not saying poling skiffs are useless, I would absolutely love to have one, but:
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if you could only have one boat, would you rather have open water capability or shallow water capability.
I'm picking the boat that gets me across the river in Venice, and I believe that's why poling skiffs aren't more popular here.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:02 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I'm picking the boat that gets me across the river in Venice, and I believe that's why poling skiffs aren't more popular here.
In Venice the fishing is deeper water and off shore. Agree that poling/flats skiffs are not the best boat for that area. However, for the majority of other areas they are great choices. A lot of it boils down to what your focus is. If trout is always plan A then skip the skiff.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:35 am to Saskwatch
If I'm launching from my camp, I have to travel and cross the Houma Nav which can get choppy at times, and also pass through a few smaller bays/lakes to get to the edges and shallow marsh I want to target.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:55 am to Saskwatch
True. For most of the marsh of LA, a poling skiff is fine. Places like Delacroix/Shell Beach it is great. With a larger skiff like an Action Craft 18, Hewes 18 or Hells Bay Marquesa, you can cross large bodies of open water even in a chop. These are boats with higher freeboard, 100+ HP engines, etc.
These boats draft less than 10" of water too.
Miles Larose and the guys at Shallow South use flats skiffs quite well in the LA Marsh.
These boats draft less than 10" of water too.
Miles Larose and the guys at Shallow South use flats skiffs quite well in the LA Marsh.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:59 am to Saskwatch
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A lot of it boils down to what your focus is. If trout is always plan A then skip the skiff.
This is all I was really trying to get across. I think the majority of people who fish in south LA are gonna be after trout first and foremost and that takes a boat that can go get them.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:05 am to PapaPogey
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I have to travel and cross the Houma Nav which can get choppy at times,
from what i have seen, if its that windy, you should not be poling, and the water will be to muddy. But like we all know, that ususally doesnt stop us from giving it a try.
I fish a 180ts Sterling with a 90 2 stroke yamaha, and i can cross some pretty rough water. I wouldn't wanna stop and fish it, but it takes waves very well. the boat has the back and front platform, but its not the easiest to pole. i draft 9-10 inches with 3 aboard. Drafting less would be nice. I picked a slightly larger boat because i didnt wanna be tied down to one thing, but i am tied to one boat. its a great perch, bass, reds, specks, riding, boat. With 35 gallons, i can Dabble in Lake pelto in the summer on nice days.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:19 am to DeltaDoc
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Miles Larose and the guys at Shallow South use flats skiffs quite well in the LA Marsh.
And run them out to the barrier islands pretty frequently. You're more limited by your knowledge of handling a boat than you are by the boat itself, though a skiff is definitely limited.
We just sold a 22' Skeeter ZX22 bay boat and I've got a Fury coming soon. I found that 99% of my fishing was being done from my Pro Drive, and the only time I really used my Skeeter was to get out to Cat Island or run triple tail. I can triple tail fish on a good day in the Fury, it was way more range than my Pro Drive, and I can run the whole marsh with it.
It's certainly not a do it all boat, but for what I do, I think it's the best option. I fished several from Hells Bay, Maverick, Action Craft, and a couple of other smaller brands like Andros. At the end I went with the ECS just because of the customization.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:28 am to bluemoons
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We just sold a 22' Skeeter ZX22 bay boat and I've got a Fury coming soon.
That a sweet boat. What made me do the Flats boat route was that everyone i know has a offshore, bay , or mud boat. And i get calls all the time to go with them. Flats boat was the only thing not there. And i love it. you will too, very capable.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:32 am to Elusiveporpi
I loved that Skeeter. It was a 2002 and had an 02 Vmax on it. Never had an issue with either.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:34 am to Barf
I just noticed this thread.
I have a skiff down here in central Florida. It's by far the best boat for our inshore fishing conditions. There are large parts in Mosquito Lagoon ( cape Canaveral) where you can only paddle or pole to preserve the grass.
I have a skiff down here in central Florida. It's by far the best boat for our inshore fishing conditions. There are large parts in Mosquito Lagoon ( cape Canaveral) where you can only paddle or pole to preserve the grass.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:39 am to bluemoons
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Fury coming soon.
Nice!! Fished out of one, loved it.
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used my Skeeter was to get out to Cat Island
Was going to bring my family there this past summer, but the lightning strike and fire on the island canceled those plans for us and we never went.
You launch out of Gulfport and run there?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:43 am to Dock Holiday
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Was going to bring my family there this past summer, but the lightning strike and fire on the island canceled those plans for us and we never went.
You launch out of Gulfport and run there?
I heard about that. Do you know what part of the island burned?
We run there from Pass Christian. I really want to get on the southeast side of the island with the Fury this year on a good day to sight fish those grass flats.
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